Did you all see the article about the amino acid (IIRC), that has been
known to aid in bone knitting since the 1930s? It couldn't be patented,
so no drug company would pay for the clinical tests required to bring it
to market. Now one has figured out how to strip out some of the parts
and patent it, so it'll soon be on the market at an undoubtedly
exorbitant price. 75-80 years later!
How many people have suffered needlessly because there was no profit in
It's not socialized medicine that bothers me, it's unsocial companies :-).
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
It seems to me that such a thing would be a good project for a
Government funded project conducted through a University. Help PhD
candidates along with their education along with other support staff,
gain a social benefit of global proportions.
Do you have a link to the article?
If you're talking about Prostaglandin E2, then you've only gotten some
anti-business loon's side of it. Prostaglandin E2 has been on the market
for decades, but it has not been approved for use in assisting bone-knitting
because in trials for that purpose it caused severe heart and kidney damage
in a high percentage of patients.
The new med attempts to maintain the bone-knitting capability without the
Uh, why don't you tell us.
If you're going to talk about 'unsocial companies' at least find a better
Companies like Monsanto get patents on plants that man has been harvesting
for thousands of years, or sue farmers when Monsanto's GMO seeds are carried
by the wind onto a farmer's land and grow there mixed with the crop the
farmer planted. I believe in free enterprise, but it seems lately things
are a little out of balance.
Just last week the FDA mandated that ten analgesics be taken off the market
because they had never undergone clinical trials for their efficacy,
alternatives were available, and the targeted medicines had a propensity for
There was a HUGE uproar over one, liquid Morphine, and the FDA relented on
So far as I know, aspirin has never undergone clinical trials either (except
for the one sponsored by the AMA regarding low-dose aspirin and heart
attacks - and even it was stopped early).
It was 14 and it wasn't that they had not undergone clinical trials, it was
that they had never been FDA-approved in any manner at all.
Bayer alone lists 9 clinical trials of aspirin currently in progress. The
one that was stopped early was stopped because the results obtained by that
time were conclusive--that was the Physicians Health Study I, which I
believe was sponsored by Harvard and Brigham & Women's Hospital, not by the
Larry, I have a $100 a day drug habit. If it weren't for ambitious little
pharmaceutical chemists and greedy pharmaceutical companies, I'd be dead
already after a slow and uncomfortable death. I believe in the power of
capitalism and the appeal of the dollar. Socialism and other models haven't
worked out so well. Maybe after we've solved all the world's problems, we
can afford to sit back and marvel at ourselves.
I didn't see anyone claim that the drug companies don't develop life-saving
drugs, of course they do, I have prescriptions for several of them.
Unfortunately they also do things like conceal studies that show unpleasant
side effects, use patients as unwitting test subjects, dump expired or
banned drugs in poor nations, make insignificant changes in formulas to
extend their patents, spend more on marketing than they do on research and
so on. It isn't a choice between capitalism and socialism, it's a matter of
imposing reasonable restrictions on corporations so they aren't tempted to
screw us over six ways from Sunday and risk our well-being as they do so. I
have no problem with regulated capitalism, but unrestrained capitalism leads
to Times Beach and I bet neither of us would choose to live there.
Obviously you have your own unrelated bone to pick with how they operate.
I'm speaking only to incentive and effectiveness. Unless you have stats to
the contrary, I'll hold to my opinion that innovation flourishes in the US
of A more so than anywhere else for the best and worst of reasons: personal
As for your other thoughts, you're talking out the side of your face if you
benefit at all from the products and technologies from those same evil
companies. Moral high ground is always a fiction.
Again, I didn't claim otherwise, you have quite the knack for attacking
positionss that other people didn't express.
What an educational experience this is turning out to be, I've just learned
that if a company does something slimy, perhaps even illegal, it's unethical
to comment on it if I've ever used a product or service that company
Man, unclench a little, you'll do yourself an injury.
Not only that, but if capitalism is so much better than socialism, then
why, in this health care argument, are our health care expenditures up
to twice as much per person as other industrialized nations, and our
general health and life expectancies lower?
And I can't accept the whining from the pharmaceutical industry about
how much research and development costs until their R&D costs exceed
their advertising costs, which they don't by a long shot.
I'm having a difficult time finding Canadian innovations and inventions.
Searching for Canadian pharmaceutical patents, I find a lot of political
talk about relaxing patent protections to third world regions, and also
listings for Canadian Pharmacy. Seems to me, the US health care costs go at
least in part to subsidize life saving drugs in socialist regimes. You bunch
of bleeding heart ingrates.
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:12:51 -0700, marc rosen wrote:
It was from our local paper, copied from the LA Times. My memory was
faulty, it's a parathyroid hormone, not an amino acid. Here's the
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
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