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And home owner associations that forbid you from even leaving your garage door open for more than 30 minutes.
A house in most new developments is no longer a home..but a place to sleep, and park your fat ass in front of the TV
Gunner
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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Gunner wrote:

Anyone that likes to live in a controlled enviorment gets what they deserve.
You have to get approval to do just about anything around your house. You even need a fart licence or they lock you up.
John
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John wrote:

They sure do sound like my idea of hell.
I've always held the opinion that my property rights extend as far as my property line and my neighbors should be free to do anything that's legal they want to their property as long as it doesn't create an imminent danger or an audible, foul odored or a physical intrusion over the property line.
If my next door neighbor decides he wants to paint his house to look like it's covered with tartan plaid with a black and white striped chimney or forgos cuttting his grass for two months, so be it. I can probably screen out the view from my side if I'm so inclined.
In fact, that's just what I did two years ago when my next door neighbor had some major improvements done to his home which left me looking at a pretty ugly looking "rubble wall":
http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/jeff/mmiv.html
The bushes I planted in 2004 have grown so they now just about block out all view of the messy job his contractors did.
To my neighbor's credit, when he saw me schlepping those arborvitae bushes home in the trunk of my car three at a time and planting them over several weekends, he came over and insisted on paying for them. He wouldn't take "no" for an answer so we settled on his writing a comparable sized check to a local charity we support. Everyone won that way.
Jeff
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Jeff Wisnia wrote:
> To my neighbor's credit, when he saw me schlepping those arborvitae > bushes home in the trunk of my car three at a time and planting them > over several weekends, he came over and insisted on paying for them.
Talk about ugly on an ape.
Give those arborvitae about 10 years, you will probably wish you had never planted them.
Lew
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You got that right. I can understand why some people buy into these, and I know people who live in just such communities. They mostly love it because they like everything in its place at all times. Homes they are not. Very sterile atmosphere. But they like the golfing, mah jong marathons, and soy burger cookouts, so, whatever winds yer clock.
I just bought a home with two acres at the end of a road in a very rural Utah town. Nothing but BLM land all around that won't be developed in my lifetime. Or probably in this century. It does have some zoning restrictions, but they mainly apply to building permits, setbacks, and common sense items that affect others. That is why I bought there. The people I know who live in HOAs wouldn't consider living there, but they don't have to.
Whatever winds your clock.
Steve
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wrote:

LITTLE BOXES
Little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky.
Little boxes on the hillside, little boxes all the same.
There's a pink one and a green one and a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky, and they all look just the same.
And the people in the houses all went to the university
Where they were put in boxes, and they came out all the same.
And there's doctors and there's lawyers, and business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.
And they all play on the golf course and drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children and the children go to school.
And the children go to summer camp and then to the university
Where they are put in boxes and they come out all the same.
And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.
Theres a pink one and a green one and a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.
Pete Seeger *******************************
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:08:07 GMT, Gunner wrote:

<~~~>

Actually, Pete Seeger only sang it, credit to Malvina Reynolds for writing it.
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Gunner wrote:

It was actually written by Malvina Reynolds, not Pete Seeger
See http://www.ocap.ca/songs/littlbox.html
John Cowart
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That sounds like a set of rules that meet your aproval.
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Gunner wrote:

This is what I don't understand. When I was coming up, your house looked *abandoned* of you didn't have the garage door open. Everyone in my neighborhood had their garage open all day long...it signified someone was home...someone actually lived there. Kids were always playing hoops above the garage door, or girls were jumping rope with friends in the driveway. Or if you looked up in the trees, there were kids plotting all sorts of mischief.
Nowdays, I drive through a neighborhood, and all the doors are closed. THAT is what looks ugliest to me.
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wood snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:

These "homeowner's associations" need to be taken down a peg. They're starting to get too big for their britches. I would _not_ buy in a community where there was such a thing.
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J. Clarke wrote:

A friend of mine built his shop in such an area. It's a large shop for a hobby woodworker (32' x 48' with a full basement), but to match the other houses in the area, he had to add a brick front. I didn't ask how much extra that added to the cost, but brick and the masons don't come all that cheap, even around here. I live in the boonies, have a smaller shop, and did it in rough, green wood, board and batten style. One helluva lot cheaper, even if it is fairly ugly.
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Critical thinking is a lost art. It's loss gave rise to the democrat party. Two chickens in every pot. Nobody asked where the chickens would come from, who would pay for them. It's part of the Robin Hood mentality. My young son liked the Robin Hood story until I told him that Bill Clinton thought we were on the verge of becoming rich. I asked him which of his posessions he would like to have confiscated so that someone else could enjoy them.

Another time my son came home from school and said we need to quit cutting down trees and building houses. I said OK. Then I asked him if he liked living in our house. He did. I told him that the building material came from trees, and that the grounds we live on were once forested. I asked if, when he left home, he wanted to live in an apartment in the crime-ridden center part of the city. He didn't want to do that.

I certainly hope so, but with the media constantly pumping our children's heads with their thoughts, how will they cope? They'll probably all turn out to be good little unthinking voters, speeding our way to socialism

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snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote:

That's pure partisan rhetoric. Do you honestly think Republicans have the corner on personal accountability? Everyone else is a welfare recipient, eh?

That has nothing to do with the fact that human overpopulation is outstripping forests' ability to renew themselves. Any idiot knows that trees are cut to build houses, but "conservative" idiots treat nature as a bottomless pit of materials. Their motivation is to grow the population and economy forever, leaving no balance in the system.
R. Lander
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R. Lander wrote:

Except in Russia, where the growth of forests has been enormous over the last few years.
Steve
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:32:34 +0100, Steve Taylor

The same is true of the U.S., where we have more forested land now than in 1900.
-- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge /
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Robert Sturgeon wrote:

There is a difference between a forest and a tree farm :-).
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It's turtles, all the way down

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Robert Sturgeon wrote:

But how does it compare to, say, 1400?
On top of that how much is actual forest and how much is mono culture tree farm land.
michael
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pipedope wrote:

You can go on....comparing virgin forests of 1400 to what is there today by comparing acres in forest is apples to oranges in the worst sense. It's like saying the city park is a "forest" because there are trees in it.
You have to compare board feet of harvestable timber as well as issues such as forest diversity and health, watershed necessities (can't cut it if your towns water is collected there) and whether that harvestable timber has any reasonable value (Lots of maple in Washington but mostly only good for fire wood), "green" load..as in how much a tree type contributes to air cleaning and oxygen production (a cactus is considered a tree but has a low green load), etc... The issue is far more complex than a right-wing radio sound bite.
The US Forest Service, by the way, had it's ass kicked a few years back for calling large tracts of land above the timberline in elevation as harvestable forest lands. Games people play.
Koz
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Koz wrote:

If the canopy coverage is greater than 50%, it is forest.

Perhaps. Is it private land?

Then how will the lefties ever understand it?

With GIS all things are possible.

And the Fish And Wildlife Service DIDN'T have its ass kicked for falsifying the range extent of a lynx for the purpose of denying sportsmen access to millions of acres of BLM land.
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