OT - Arthritis & Electric

I know some of you old guys have arthritis. I don't consider myself old yet, but I've got it too. Diagnosed in the spine, years ago (and, of course, they can't tell what type). Also got bad joints, but they always claim they can't find anything wrong with any of them. If they didn't always run the same test everytime, they might find something.
Anyway, for a long time, I've not been able to lift my arms up very high, straight out, or even straight up, and alway painful to even try. Today the kid's pups were trying to kill each other. By the way, got a deal for anyone - buy one pup, get 10 free. Go out, in stocking feet, to sort it out. Electric fence, suitable for cattle. Unhook the top wire so I can get in, bad hips too. So, sort it out, all the pups want to be petted. Sort of like being nibbled to death by baby ducks. Getting ready to leave, notice the top wire came loose. Use my handkerchief to pick it up and fasten it back. Wind up getting about 4 shocks. Finally got it hooked up, then back over the fence, and re-hook the top strand.
Get back in the house, and notice the right shoulder isn't bothering me. Check it out, and find out it has more mobility than it's had in probly 10 years. Pain-free. I'd gotten a shock with the left hand some weeks ago, and noticed the same thing, but had just figured it was nothing. Who knows? I may have made a medical breakthru here. I'm almost tempted to go out and purposly shock my left hand, almost. But, I'm sensitive to electric shock, and don't think so, not on purpose. Reason I unhooked the finse in the first place, I've got bad hips, and last time I went over the fence, screwed up, and got one leg between the wires. That's one way to really wake up.
Anyone else here had similar experiences?
It's funny as Hell, to go outside, and see a small herd of pups run up to the corner of the fence, then sit down, in a V shaped line, almost exactly a foot from the fence.
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Hey, maybe you've got something JOAT! I've read about everything from people rubbing WD40 into the bad joints to taking "bee sting" trherapy. Who knows?
It's obvious the pups know what that "zap" is all about. I've seen dairy cows with a single wire electric fence about 30" high get right down on their knees and crop just as far as they could stretch their nack under that wire without touching it.
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I think that is what these tinge units are all about. Now to take care of those hips heres what you do: After a couple of beers, as soon as the urge hits ya, head on out to the fence to take a wiz. That ought to take care of both hips at the same time.
My dad says the same thing about the electric fence, he goes out and grabs it every once in a while to help his aches and pains.
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Fri, Apr 16, 2004, 8:01pm snipped-for-privacy@adelphia.net (KentuckyHighlander) advises: <snip> After a couple of beers, as soon as the urge hits ya, head on outto the fence to take a wiz. That ought to take care of both hips at the same time.
First, I don't drink anymore. Second, I have been known to drink a LOT during the course of an evening. Or 2-3 days. Third, I could never have drank enough to do something as stupid as that.
However, you go out and try it, come back with a report for the group, and I will seriously consider trying it.
Yeah, yeah, some of you guys can drink two six-packs in one sitting. How about 25 beers, then went out drinking, for a start. I did NOT do that every night, or even once a week, but it has been known to happen. It all come from being pure at heart.
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"J T" wrote:

the right shoulder isn't

I have NO idea if these shocks would even come close to what TENS specs are in terms of milliamperage / wave form / cycles per second / pulse rate / pulse duration etc., etc., but there MIGHT be an explanation for what you experienced. Some (but not all) people get a degree of relief from chronic pain by using Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS). TENS units are widely used in the field of physical medicine / physical therapy / chiropractic. Perhaps you should consult your physician(s) about this.
You can get more info on TENS units on sites such as: http://www.compextechnologies.com/cervical.html
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Medtronic is a maker of a unit similar to the TENS unit but it is a direct implant. I had one for a number of years and they can relieve a lot of pain. They are also adjustable so that as the pain increases, you can adjust the voltage up. You can also turn them on and off with a magnet, the control unit is typically placed in your hip at the beltline. A separate unit programs the controller for the desired voltage. I was being treated by a Pain Management specialist when mine was installed. They've got their good points but the one bad point is you can actually set the voltage high enough to disable yourself. Looking back on it, it was funny when it happened, but I was paralyzed until my wife finally came out and turn the bloody thing off. Check out http://www.medtronic.com and search for neurostimulation
Good Luck!!
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Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 4:38am (EDT+4) snipped-for-privacy@NoMoreSpam.insightbb.com (Dave) says: <snip> You can also turn them on and off with a magnet, <snip> you canactually set the voltage high enough to disable yourself. Looking back on it, it was funny when it happened, but I was paralyzed until my wife finally came out and turn the bloody thing off.<snip>
And, then the wife gets mad, buys a batch of supermagnets, and passes them out to the grandkids, with instructions to stick them on gramps. LMAO You'd really be SOL then.
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Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 12:12am (EDT+4) snipped-for-privacy@verizon.net (PeterShull) claims: <snip> TENS units are widely used <snip> NOT by me, and never will be. Had a chiropractor try something like that on me, for my back - once. I was a Hell of a lot tenser after he used it, then before.
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:43:31 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net (J T) wrote:

some folks swear they get relief by strapping powerful magnets to their joints. magnetism and electricity are pretty closely related. you may be on to something....
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:57:14 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@igetenoughspamalreadythanks.com brought forth from the murky depths:

My grandmother had a really neat battery powered device which was, I believe, from the 19th century. It took the 6v and pumped it up to thousands of currentless volts and sent it into your body through two moistened leather pads. The new TENS units work on the very same principle, so JOAT is SOL on the new patent thing.
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Some of the newer patent examiners might let it issue. I've dealt with some lately that are clueless, and don't speak the language well either.
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I am coming into this offtopic late, but for what this is worth, etc. I was very recently diagnosed as having arthritis in both knees. I went to a physical therapist who used Ultrsound which sends a voltage not too unlike a vibrator. The therapist said Medicare doesn't pay for it, but he uses it anyway, because he knows it works, and, according to my knees, he is right.
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I have a wooden box with a device inside simular to the old crank telephone. This was sold for treatment of Arthritis. We played with it at my Grandfather's some 70 years ago. Place one lead in a pan of water with a penny, hold the other lead and try to get the penny while companion cranked the device as hard as he could.
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more likely you are shorting out, or otherwise screwing over your nerves, so that they can't send pain signals, so the problem is there but you just can't feel it:-)
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Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 2:25am (EDT+4) snipped-for-privacy@fairfax.com (daveinfairfax) claims: <snip> If the nreves are excited enough the pain impulses don't getthrough, kind of like white noise drowning out other noises. They aren't ANYTHING like the jolt you get off an electric fence.
With the thingy the chiropractor used on me, my nerves got so excited all they felt was pain. I'd almost prefer the electric fence.
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J T wrote:

Probably had the juice turned up too high for you, or else he didn't have the electrodes on right--if they're not making good contact it can be painful.
Incidentally the better sex shops will have decent TENS units--they're used in S&M too.

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"J. Clarke" wrote:

You got somebody else's quote mixed up in mine. I didn't say anythig about TENS hurting, they don't if set properly. As for the S&M, WAY more than I wanted to know, and I'm not even going to ask. %-)
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Tue, Apr 20, 2004, 12:23am snipped-for-privacy@nospam.invalid (J.Clarke) Probably had the juice turned up too high for you, or else he didn't have the electrodes on right--if they're not making good contact it can be painful. Incidentally the better sex shops will have decent TENS units--they're used in S&M too.
Your're weird.
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J T wrote:

Think _I'm_ weird you shoulda met the girl that taught me about things like that.

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Sat, Apr 17, 2004, 12:06am snipped-for-privacy@noplace.com (BobS.) - not him, the little troll instead, claimed: <snip of troll wishing it was cool>
Well, well, it's the little troll coprolite again. LMAO My guess is, it's the weekend, so mommy and daddy are having a night out, possibly to get a rest from you. They sensibly don't trust leaving you home alone, so they got a babysitter. But, the babysitter doesn't know what you're doing on the computer. Probably daddy's, and you aren't even supposed to be on it. Am I close? ROTFLMAO I bet he's really going to be bent out of shape if you windup getting his computer cut off. Especially if he's got job related stuff on it. LMAO Now, that would be funny. Don't you agree?
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