OT again: Parents could be fined for missing school meetings

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Go get 'em. It would be a whole other story if one of the teachers was to strike one of the students.....you wouldn't be able to keep the parent away from the school and they would attend every meeting between their attorney and the school!
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$500?? ... Hell, I'd put'em in jail for 30 days!
What on earth could be more important?
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Swingman wrote:

Working the 2.5 minimum wage jobs required to pay the rent and put food on the table perhaps... Outside of that or being in the hospital or jail, not much...
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Well the parents should have thought of that before neglecting their children. You child is more important than any job or rent. Where there is a will, there is a way. If the parent gets fined because he cannot attend to his child's needs he needs to do better parenting at home so that the child does not require a parent teacher meeting. The parents are responsible for their children and the schools are not baby sitters.
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Leon wrote:

Well, one thing for sure, parents will not agree to meet with the teacher, always with plenty of reason why they can't schedule the meeting.
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Yeah, and another thing is for sure also. If the parents start being fined, 99.9% of those excuses will start to disappear. The parents are going to have the opportunity to schedule the meeting.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:44:03 -0600, "Leon"

Why do you consider it so important that the parent appear at a "school meeting"? Are you a teacher or something?
Personally I think that any teacher that can't handle the kids without parental meetings should be fir^Hned.
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More importantly a one on one with teacher and or principal. I am not a teacher and believe that too many teachers are ineffective. If you fail to see the revelance you are probably one of those people that always points the finger.

Where do you live, Dream land? What public school will let a teacher actually discipline a child without fear of a law suite?
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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:21:08 GMT, "Leon"

I see, you've made two attempt now to make this about me.

If that is what you see as the problem then you simply need to make it lawful for teachers to discipline children without fear of a lawsuit rather than fining parents for not kowtowing to teachers' demands that they appear in a certain place at a certain time.
But you are actually introducing Constitutional issues here. By what authority does a teacher have the power to order a parent to be in a certain place at a certain time? Teachers are not police or judges, they have no power to issue warrants. I suspect that the courts would toss any such law in short order.
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HUH?
Now you are making sense. The teacher should be able to dicepline the kids with out fear of a law suite just like a parent should be. If it goes too far then they can be punished just like any one else. Further, where did you get the notion that a teacher can demand that you show up in a certain place at a certain time? Appointments are made to suite both parties. If you make a commitment and do not show up then that again is a personal problem and deserves the fine.

There you go assuming that the teacher can call all the shots again.
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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:29:42 GMT, "Leon"

So why would a parent make the commitment to begin with and risk the fine?

Someone is calling the shots. If the parent has the right to refuse to make the appointment then what purpose is served by fining the parent who for whatever reason manages to miss one? All you're accomplishing is to guarantee that nobody in their right mind will ever make such an appointment.
You keep saying "liberals this" and "liberals that". The hallmark of liberalism is more and more laws that intrude more and more into our day to day lives. If you want to espouse a _conservative_ solution then ditch the forced bussing and the parent will be able to walk to the school. But you're too busy trying to find new ways to harass people who already have too much on their plate to be bothered with doing anything like _that_.
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The appointmant will not be optional but will be fair to both parites.

You assume that the parent will have the right to refuse that meeting. I seriousely doubt that will be true. He will most likely be given the benefit of attending that meeting when he can do so. The parent has to play the gown up here and take responsibility for being a parent. What a concept.

NO a liberal is one that wants more and more government and laws to cover his butt, pay his way, and carry him along. A law requiring you to be a responsible parent is not liberal thinking. Go ahead and look the other way and throw stones at those trying to make a change in this broken system.
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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:13:39 GMT, "Leon"

So you're saying that the parent doesn't have the right to refuse to attend and can be subjected to criminal penalties for failing to do so.
Make up your mind, can the teacher order the meeting and cause the parent to be fined for failing to appear or can't she? You can't have it both ways.
If the teacher can order it then the teacher is in effect issuing a subpeona or arrest warrant, if the teacher can't order it then the parent isn't going to risk the fine by agreeing to it.

So how are such "liberal" programs as Welfare and national health insurance "covering the butt, paying the way, and carrying along" the liberal Congresscritters who already _have_ all that?

Says the liberal trying hard to pretend to be a conservative.

If you want to fix the system, arresting parents is not the way to do it.
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That is a HUGE part of the problem, not just for teachers, but many parents are reluctant to punish their kids.
Scenario: Jack pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.
1956 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lockdown, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1956 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1956 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class.
2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and his Dad gives him a whipping.
1956 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some headache medicine to school.
1956 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant.
1956 - 5 High School Boys leave town. Mary does her senior year at a special school for expectant mothers.
2006 - Middle School Counselor calls Planned Parenthood, who notifies the ACLU. Mary is driven to the next state over and gets an abortion without her parent's consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be more careful next time.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1956 : Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2006 : Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic party. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English.
+++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed
1956 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
+++++++++++++++++++++
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.
1956 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Leon wrote:

Probably not. What will happen is a huge law suit in which every person that pays taxes loses and maybe a few educators also lose their jobs.
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Leon wrote:

Nah, it's just those wacko conservatives that believe that...

Of course they are, it's just that the rich parents who can't be bothered with parenthood can afford to send their kids to boarding schools...
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Woah is me, is not an excuse as far as I am concerned.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:22:10 -0600, "Leon"

If you can't pay the rent then you and your child get to live in a cardboard box on a heating grate, if you're tough enough to chase some other homeless person off the heating grate.
Sorry, but putting a roof over the kid's head is part of taking care of the kid and failing to do so is neglecting the kid.

If fining the parent means that he and the kid end up living in that box then how have you helped the kid?

No, the schools are not baby sitters, they are surrogate parents--that is what the doctrine of "in loco parentis" means.
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Parenting is more than multiplying. If you cannot afford or take care of kids don't have them.

How many people do you personally know that live in a box because of a $500 fine?

That is what liberals believe.
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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:24:29 GMT, "Leon"

While I agree with this in principle, it is beside the point.

I've never known anybody who had to pay a $500 fine for refusing to kiss a teacher's butt.

No, that is what the _law_ believes.
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