: "John E." wrote in message
:> The only person "showing his ass" round here is you, but thanks for:> confirming your intelligence level for all and sundry.
: LOL! Further confirming what we knew all along ... the most correct
: "analogy" as being my ass, and _your_ "intelligence level".
And once again, ladies and gentlemen, "Swingman" shows us all the
meaning of pure class.
-- Andy Barss
:> Enough already. Plonk.
: Bill, you might want to unplonk. Sometimes we get caught up in a pissing
: contest, even the best of us.
Problem is, Karl is pretty incontinent, and seems to get a juvenile
pleasure out of it.
What I was trying to say is that IMO, when a new tool comes out, especially if
it's only distributed by a high end company, it's going to be expensive..
However, since success breeds ruinous competition, there will be other machines
like it on the market as soon as the demand is there... very much like the early
biscuit jointers and plunge routers..
Umm... I think that was MY point...
I don't care if it costs them $9 or $999 to make, I'm a consumer, not an
I also don't care how much it costs to make a plasma TV... but I'm glad I didn't
buy on of the first couple.. *g*
I understand what you're saying. I just don't think the price of the actual
Domino will be dropping any time soon.
The tools to make plasma screens aren't any cheaper now, it's just become
less expensive to buy one now that there are more manufacturers in the game
and the market size has increased.
Put it this way, if a handsaw drops in price, do the prices of the things
made with a handsaw also drop in price?
I have no doubt that Harbor Freight is already hard at work copying the
technology behind the Domino. That doesn't mean that Festool is gonna drop
the price on a real Domino.
Having been watching the plasma screen for many many years now. I suspect
that the real reason that they are finally coming down in price is because
the LCD screens which have no glare and are preferred in most cases over the
plasma have been dropping to reasonable prices. I have noticed that when
the LCD's reached the plasma prices that the plasma screens started dropping
in price at the same pace as the LCD's. I strongly suspect that the plasma
screen TV's will be obsolete sooner than later much like the old CRT
computer screens have become obsolete.
LOL ... Johneboy's still running irrelevant rabbit trails.
As you well know as a Domino owner, the _cost_ of the Domino is irrelevant
to the woodworker who actually needs the tool to boost productivity because,
like most investments that increase productivity, it will either pay for
itself, or you didn't need it in the first place ... and with the Domino,
most likely sooner rather than later.
Well, probably not. I strongly suspect that there is a pantent on the
Domino. The Fein Multimaster has not had any real competition until
relatively reccently when their patent expired. I have never seen any
Festool prices drop and because they have a strict priving policy you
probably will not see a drop in price. And like the Lamelllo plate joiner
the Domino will probably remain at higher prices even after the patent runs
out, if there is one.
I am with you 100% on that. Fein has even patented their blades
design and construction, and every time someone decides to start
making knockoffs they are served. A machine shop guy I met on the
'net that was selling them for about half the Fein models told me
that. He only made two models, a piece of bent sheet tool steel snap
welded onto a nub to fit the tool, one wide and one narrow toothed
blade, but that was close enough for Fein.
And who knows how much money went into designing a reliable sturdy
tool like the Domino, as well as designing the tooling for
manufacture? Literally millions, I have no doubt. So I suspect not
only vigorous defense of their designs and patents, but for any aspect
of that tool that would be considered their property.
I am willing to bet it NEVER goes down in price.
As you said, the Fein Multimaster is an excellent example of a
assume you meant " strict pricing policy"
The Domino is around the equivalent of USD 1050 in the UK, a quick
google shows those lucky, lucky bastards in the US are paying around
So it's not that strict a pricing policy :)
Festool dealers offer next to bugger all discount on list price in
the UK, about the equivalent of USD 60.
However, now I'll probably feel crappy when I finally get up the cash
to get my long dreamed over Multi-router (in a Homer Simpson voice
"ohhhh ... shiney") and I'll always wonder if I should have bought 2
Dominos. However, the domino won't do box joints, dovetails (including
sliding), round and rectangular tennons.
My only real question about how much I'll love my Mulit-router is if I
can pull off making through tennons by squaring the tennons by hand
and undercutting the mortises and squaring them by hand too.
This is absolutely terrific information - thanks! I've been wanting to
get into M&T joinery, but found it a little intimidating. The Domino
makes it look so simple in comparison. My biggest concern was getting
the right mileage out of the tool. Sounds like the Domino is good for
both beginners and pros.
Go for it ...
The need for more complicated joinery is something most woodworkers face if
they stick with it long enough, and they generally come face to face with Mt
Everest when the need for accurate and repeatable compound angle joinery
rears its head in projects like chair making.
"Loose or Floating" tenon joinery is a big step toward solving the problem,
as it is comparable in strength with traditional M&T joinery and in many
case stronger, particularly with compounnd angle joints where the tenon may
have to be cut in an unfavorable grain or direction that actually weakens
the traditional joint.
In short, the necessity to quickly and effectively do repeatable compound
angle M&T joinery is a must have for production runs in a small shop. Both
the M-R and Domino, as well as other solutions like the Leigh FMT,
facilitate loose tenon joinery.
Both excel at compound angle mortising, with the Domino making the accuracy
and repeatability factor _much_ more affordable for the home shop.
Besides doing a lot of cabinetry, I always have a furniture project of some
type going in the shop ... if I didn't already own a Multi-Router, I would
invest in a Domino in a heartbeat.
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