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Update on the small air compressor: It seems to work just fine. It "stopp ed" working, properly, and I questioned the HF guy. Seems my mistake was u sing an inadequate extension cord, but my job site didn't have an outlet, n earby, to plug directly into. HF recommended a 25' or less 10 gauge extens ion cord, for extension cord use. I don't recall, but the owners manual m ay have mentioned appropriate extension cord use.
Camp gun cabinet is being reworked, a bit. The bottom drawer is essential ly not used, disfunctional, so I'll remove it (and possibly the 2 upper dra wers) and make/install doors.... and install a bottom and middle shelf insi de.... more useful space, than that/those shallow drawer(s). Doors should suit the overall design/looks, as well.
This weekend a tornado touched down near the farm. Will go scout for some downed walnut trees, for salvaging/milling, if they can be had for free or cheap.
OT: Jonas' son, Ian, wants an alligator tooth necklace. I had 3 skulls in the (game) freezer, pulled them out to thaw. They were freezer dried, so I co uldn't pry open the jaws. I cut the jaws from the skull and will pull the teeth, later.... or Ian will pull them. Will boil them in borax-water so lution, makes for easier tooth extraction and odor reduction.
Boysenberries are ripening. Everyone likes the berries. The jelly is, o ften, a breakfast staple at the camp, as well. .... that and canned whole figs and jam.
Sonny
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wrote:

... you could probably go 25 yards or more on 10 guage ... .. that's a heavy cord ! My little cheapo air compressor doesn't like extended use - it will refuse to start/pump when it gets to its limit - 10 or 15 minutes of use .. I only use it for occasional house-holder activities .. so no big problem .. It will be fine again after a while idle .. John T.
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Glad to hear it didn't affect you directly.

When I was a kid I was happy for one tooth on a leather shoelace necklace. Lucky kid.

What a life!
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Yeah, you really have to watch extension cords. Both length and gauge matter. For every doubling of length, you need to go down about three AWG sizes. So to go from a 25' 10-gauge cord to 50', you would have to go to a 7Ga wire (if you could find such a thing). Also, don't bother with HF extension cords. The ends are junk.

I see some more outrageous tables in the future. ;-)

The news had pictures of a 'gator in a local stream. They were warning people not to come out to take selfies with it. I guess they have to make such warnings these days.

Are they the same thing as "mulberries" (tree something like an apple tree with dark purple berries - that crows crap all over everything)?
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On 5/1/2016 3:08 PM, krw wrote:

Hey, gotta keep all the stupid voters you can ...
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My wife reminded me that the 'gator's name is Flat Creek Floyd. http://thecitizen.com/news-newsmakers/ptc%E2%80%99s-alligator-floats-photo http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/stop-taking-alligator-selfies-with-flat-creek-floy/nrBpY/

That shouldn't be a problem. There're always more where they came from. My guess is that the police think it's too much paperwork.
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On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 3:08:30 PM UTC-5, krw wrote:

I have in mind some chairs for the trestle table. At least the seats upho lstered, maybe the backrest, too. Leon had commented about a complementar y bench, so that's still an option, even with a set of chairs. Two acquai ntances seem to want that table, as does my brother. I don't think the ma rket is here, as in Houston, so I doubt I'd sell it for what Leon and Karl estimated its value as. Leon had asked that I post its final resting place .

Boysenberries are a hybrid black berry, grown on a *briar bush/vine, not a tree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boysenberry
A mulberry is totally different.
The hybridization made for no briars, on the vines, but over time, the bria rs will come back on the vines. Each year, the plants sprout new shoots a nd these new shoots have "lost" some of their hybrid characteristics, so t he briars/pickers eventually re-emerge. Wild blackberries are generally sm all, about the size of the tip of your little finger. The Boysenberries a re twice the size of your thumb tip. The hybridization hasn't reduced the sweetness or tastiness of the wild blackberry, either.
Boysenberries are easy to grow/maintain, just let them do their thing, no m essing with much care for the bushes. I do keep the bushes confined and t hat's easy, by staking them or "fencing" them in, as you would tomato plant s. Longer runners, hanging off the sides, are simply lifted on top of the main plant body. Sprouts may spread beyond the immediate boundary, but jus t mow them. My plants are in a back lawn location, like a shrub on the law n, but near the vegetable garden. They are not lawn decor type shrubbery, but planted as such. No tilling or cultivating, each year... just let th em grow.
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On 5/1/2016 1:35 PM, Sonny wrote:

I have found the least expensive way around this is to buy an inexpensive 100' air hose. They can be had for a fraction of what an appropriate extension cord would cost.
Amazon has many choices, the link below is not the cheapest, just the first on the list.
(Amazon.com product link shortened)62147050&sr=8-1&keywords0%27+air+hose
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On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 6:58:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

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Sonny wrote:

discussed. I can't recall whether they were positive side effects or negative side effects. Can you remind me?
Bill
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Having used in excess of 100' of 1/4" hose when used with a framing and finish nailer owner many years of use I have witnessed no problems other than you simply need to slow your nailing rate to about 1 nail per second.
The OP is using a nailer type tool and these type tools are low volume high pressure users of air. A long hose in this range of length is not a problem.
A long dose will be more problematic when used with high volume air usage told such as painting, sanding, larger impact wrenches etc.
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On 5/2/2016 8:15 AM, Sonny wrote:

and modifying it to hold more, to store my 100' hose.
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Bear in mind that there is some loss of pressure over the length of a hose, so, depending on what you have at the far end, you might not want a mile of hose. Two 50's might be better, since you can just use the one when it will reach.
(FWIW, same thing is true of extension cords - I'll use four 25 foot cords to get 100' if I need it, rather than buy a 100' cord, so that I don't have excess length when I don't need it).
John
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On 5/2/2016 10:10 AM, John McCoy wrote:

Flow rate is reduced, not pressure, basically due to friction losses. Probably not an issue in this application. If it is, it can be alleviated by using larger diameter hose(s) at the compressor end.
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Right. Flow rate is the problem. One solution is to use a small (5-8gal) air tank close to the business end. That'll give a local reservoir for the air so there will be less loss to the nailer (or whatever).
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On 5/2/2016 9:10 AM, John McCoy wrote:

There is no loss of pressure at the end of the hose, measure it and it is the same at both ends. There is however a loss of volume provided. If you use a high consumption tool at the end of a 100' hose the pressure may drop as a result of it not being able to keep up/supply with demand. But with no use, the pressure is the same. So with the use of a tool like a nail gun you will have plenty of pressure if you are not rapid shooting.

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Without starting a lecture on fluid dynamics here, just accept that if air is flowing, there is a loss of pressure across the length of the hose(*).

Which is why I said "depending on what you have at the far end". You're not likely to see a problem with a nail gun, you are with, say, a sandblaster.
(* and yes, the same applies with electricity - you won't see a voltage drop at the end of the extension cord until the amps start flowing).
John
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On 5/2/2016 1:48 PM, John McCoy wrote:

If it is flowing. With nail guns the needed pressure is in the gun about a second after firing but when you pull the trigger the pressure is there and absolutely enough to fire the gun whether the hose is 10' or 500'. The volume is so little that the pressure drop is insignificant for about 1/2 second.
Real world the pressure drop when a nail gun is triggered is not worth thinking about.

The original OP and original discussion was about using a pneumatic type fastener nothing else. IIRC a stapler.
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On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 7:11:28 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

Yes, 20 gauge wire staples (the metal, itself, is about 1/16" wide), for st apling vinyl, for this past job. A 22 gauge wire staple.... about the size of an typical office paper staple (the metal, itself, about 1/64" wide)... . is most often used for cloth fabric. The smaller/narrower 22 gauge stap le will shoot right through vinyl. The wider 20 gauge doesn't shoot throu gh yhr vinyl. My typical pressure is 100 psi max. As low as 65-70 psi th e staples attach sufficiently enough.
Now and then, for repairing wood, broken chair parts, etc., I'll use 15 & 1 8 gauge wire nail.
For on-site upholstering, rarely would I ever be farther than 50' from a wo rk site, so my hose requirement is easily accommodated. Any farther away a nd I'll fill my portable 6 gal tank and use that supply.... probably at lea st 75-100 shots (I've never counted), before refilling.
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On 5/3/2016 8:02 AM, Sonny wrote:

Unless you are rapid firing a nail gun the length of air hose will not matter. I have used a 100' on the end of a 50' on the end of a 20' hose to power a framing nailer for building fences.
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