O/T: Shrub's at it again

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RE: Shrub's speech in Israel
Have his handlers totally lost it?
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Oh puhleeze. Is your candidate really this weak that a simple comment warning against the dangers of appeasement makes all his supporters wet themselves?
It's OK for the Speaker of the House and other government officials not empowered by the constitution for foreign negotiations or ex-president Carter to meet with terrorists and leaders of terror-supporting countries and to criticize their country from foreign lands, but this was somehow wrong.
I truly fear for our country.
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

Well ya know what they say?? The democrat party is made up of wimps, whiners, hippies and pinko mama's boys. And what hole did they dig up Daschel out of? I'm surprised Obama or handlers didn't come out and scream racism after Bush's remarks. What a bunch of cry babies and they want to run this country. God Help US
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Do you really believe that Bush isn't bothered by the prospect that a black man is about to take his job and do it right? Do you really believe that Hillary can reconcile in her mind that she's losing to a black man?
If you believe that, than everybody's come a long way, and I congratulate you.
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Probably not concerned at all. The priest that married his daughter and her fiance is black. Do it right? Ha!
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evodawg wrote:

A lot of Depression-era folks have been life-long Democrats because they perceived FDR as the country's savior. I personally don't like FDR's policies that led to massive expansion of the federal government, but at least compared to today's crop FDR had some big brass cojones. Today's Democrats don't realize that in the current political climate as compared to by the 1940's and 50's, FDR would probably be a Republican today (probably JFK too), and a half century ago today's Democrats would have been considered socialists if not Communists.
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Just Wondering wrote:

I have said for years, The Republican Party = Democrat Party The Democrat Party = Communist Party
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Dear Mr. Dawg,
I am curious, what is the "democrat party"? Who are they and where do they (the "wimps, whiners, hippies and pinko mama's boys") hang out? I know Republican and Democratic party members who are for the most part hard working, patriotic Americans. Two people I have alot of respect for are my father and uncle. One is a Republican and one is a Democrat. Both served overseas in WW II.
Respectfully, Bob
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Bush undermined the next president of the US's authority. Made him look bad in front of a foreign nation's TV cameras. When Obama sit the Iranians down for a chat, he will have the same hammer in his back pocket as Bush likes to wield with bravado. The difference is that he won't start off his dialogue with threats and being an asshole, but the Iranians will know that hammer still exists.
People that liken Obama's approach to Chamberlain's don't know anything about history.
It's called diplomacy, not gun-boat diplomacy. I guess you have lost sight of the old adage which runs: 'Speak softly and carry and big stick; you will go far.'
But hey, if you can't win any other way, how about a glass parking lot?
Next time you read your bible, Mark, don't skip over the important parts.
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The following part does not refer to Chamberlain's screw-up:

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People that liken Obama's approach to Chamberlain's don't know anything about history.
It's called diplomacy, not gun-boat diplomacy. I guess you have lost sight of the old adage which runs: 'Speak softly and carry and big stick; you will go far.'
Welllll, the Iranian's were not too impressed with diplomacy then they kid napped our embassy 30 years ago. Carter, handled every thing in his usual way, dysfunctionaly. Oddly with the threat of a republican president coming into office the prisoners were released.
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That may have been more a slight towards Carter than a fear of Reagan. I said 'may'.
I thought Reagan was the best neighbour we ever had. It was his foreign policy that appealed to me. His relationship with Gorbachev ....no wait... he was appeasing?
Well, anyway, Reagan wasn't a right-wing nutjob. One can be conservative without having one's head up one's ass.
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By then the Iranians were defending against the Iraqi invasion and realized that the hostages were a big impediment to receiving help from abroad. They were nearly as anxious to end the situation as Carter. The change of administration allowed them the opportunity to do so wile claiming they had 'won' their confrontation with Carter.

What was he doing when he sold weapons to Iran?

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Robatoy wrote:

Yeah, walking out of Reykajavik (sp?) was appeasing. "The bombing starts in 10 minutes" (Oh how the lib media went ape over that line -- it was a joy to behold) was appeasement? "Mr. Gorbachav, tear down this wall!" was appeasement? Star wars was appeasement? "Trust but verify" was appeasement? It's easy to see why you don't see the historical perspective of Chamberlain -- you don't even get the historical perspective and approach of Reagan's policies vs. the "sit down and talk" approach of Obama.

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No, that was grand-standing.
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I'm sure there will be no grand-standing from B/O........
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No, that was grand-standing.
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Leon wrote:

Doesn't sound like there's gonna be much stick left....
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america
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Robatoy wrote:

How? By warning against the policies of appeasement and pointing to the historical record as to how appeasement NEVER works?
Yet, it's OK for the Speaker of the House, House and Senate leadership, the former President (choke) Carter to sit down with terrorists and terrorist supporters and undermine the policies of the sitting president of the US? You really think that kind of thing helps solve problems and leads to peace?

It's remarks like this that make me thank the Lord that you are a Canadian.

People that have listened to Obama's statements on his proposed foreign policy and don't liken it to Chamberlain's approach don't know anything about diplomacy.

It's called appeasement and it never works

When you can't make your point with logic, never discount the power of ad hominem
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I thank the Lord many times every day as well that I am a Canadian.
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The bible is a fairytale.
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