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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:38:09 -0600, Tim Daneliuk

As usual, the mindless blathering of someone who is *only* concerned is what benefits him.
Go whine somewhere else.
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snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com wrote:

Comrade Marx called - he wants his ideology back.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:33:13 -0600, Tim Daneliuk

If you think by emailing me privately, you're going to get me to stop commenting about your crap, then you must be dumber than pig spit.
Do it again and you can expect a shit storm to come your way.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:18:06 -0500, the infamous snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com scrawled the following:

Join the rest of us, Uppy. Plonk him and forget him!
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I'd almost forgotten about how liberals are very tolerant of all views ... except the ones that demonstrate their moral, intellectual, and philosophical bankruptcy. Thanks for the reminder.
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snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com wrote:

It's not for saving a life - it's for diagnosing an injury (that may be life saving). I suspect that MRI machines at football stadiums are virtually never used (maybe once a year?). The people who own the MRI machine don't WANT to donate it to the community health center. They use it (possibly) to protect their players which makes more money for the owners which allows them to donate to worthy causes far in excess of one MRI machine. The poor can't even take care of themselves, let alone contribute to the well-being of others.

Arguing from a false premise. Every mandated right implies a duty on the part of someone else. If the pregnant mother had a "right" of any kind, a duty is simultaneously imposed on others. Inasmuch as we reject the imposed duty, if follows she has no "right" to life - or anything else - at our expense.

This hash was settled in the late 18th Century with the publication of the "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. In it he postulated "The Invisble Hand" which, simply, means that when everyone acts to improve their own personal condition, the overall condition of society, humanity, improves.
Some people just need to keep up.
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Lots of "hash" is and has been postulated through the ages. Doesn't mean it counts for much. And that "invisible hand) works at glacial speed at best which takes generations to have any noticeable effect. What if the MRI money was instead invested in education for that pregnant mother. Within half a generation a really noticeable effect is seen. She brings up a family, ensures decent education to all her children who are grown and have families of their own who will likely succeed tremendously. And, how many families could benefit from education money derived from the sale of that one MRI machine. Hundreds!
However you want to mandate it, MRI machines are just a way companies ensure some of their profit making practices bear fruit. Nothing else and certainly not as a means so athletes stay healthy enough to volunteer and change the landscape of charity. They're strictly there to protect athletes and have extremely little trickle down effect to volunteering.
You've been smoking something too much.
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snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com wrote:

You sound as if you think a football team owning a MRI machine is somehow taking away education for hundreds of pregnant mothers and dooming them to dismal futures. Life isn't a zero sum game.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:40:01 -0700, Doug Winterburn

Of course not. I was responding to heybub suggesting MRI's are good things for Athletes so they're kept healthy and then charities will benefit from them being able to volunteer. As far as I'm concerned, they're strictly for asset protection of the for businesses who own the athlete's contracts.
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Doug Winterburn wrote:

Of coure you're correct. The Communist and, to a lesser degree, the socialist and liberal believe that the size of the pie is fixed and the size of the slices needs to be adjusted, regularized, or re-cut so that everybody has (roughly) the same amount.
The capitalist believes that the size of the pie can be increased and everybody can have a bigger slice. Virtually all the "poor" in America have a home, a car, a cell-phone, a TV, a microwave, electric lights, running water, and a malt. The ratio of their slice to that of the well-off remains the same, but in absolute terms their slice is WAY bigger than in places where wealth is redistributed.
In sum, the liberal holds that wealth is generally constant and fairness demands equality of it's distribution. The capitalist believes that wealth can be created and, by so doing, lifts all boats.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:25:41 -0500, upscale wrote:

Naah - he's just one of Tim's acolytes.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

Let's compare writing and content styles:
Bub, Doug, Mark, me, et al argue from facts and about ideas.
The resident leftie apologists like you, Uppy et al argue about the people that they don't like here and what we have to say.
I'd say you've got major holes in your ideation and fact base.
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:18:33 -0600, Tim Daneliuk

What? You expel your rhetoric from your keyboard. Like that will change the direction of politicians?
Ovey!
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Markem wrote:

I have an opinion. I join discussion already well under way and render that opinion (notice that I do not start these OT festivals). Whether or not it changes the politicians' minds is irrelevant. But ... it seems that a good many people here like to start OT discussion and then run around angrily when they discover that not everyone sees things their way.
What I do not do is assault the person or character of the *individuals* who disagree with me. I might call their ideas bad, absurd, or wrong, but I do not describe them in personally malicious terms nor do I wish violence upon them (which has been directed at me in just this thread). The point is that people that will not debate ideas generally have none. They're usually addicted to the act of debate, not the content.
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

I've stay out of most of these political threads, but I have noticed the above to be true. I think these guys really get off on talking down to you and targeting you with the ad hominems.
It gets old fast and I think they need new picture to jerk off to. :-)

I'm stealing this... thank you.
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"Greg G." wrote:

Careful what you say about Dennis the menace.
I still remember his term as mayor.
Lew
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Lew Hodgett said:

I didn't know you were from Cleveland. I have a nurse fried who lives there. He has been through a lot of turmoil in his career, but is certainly not the worse of the bunch. While mayor he was successful in a battle against selling the municipal electric utility which many considered a public service. (Excepting the power companies who put up big bucks to oust him.) At least he appears to stand for his convictions, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. Apparently others agree, hasn't he served six or seven terms in the house?
I don't live there, obviously, so my information could be flawed, but at least he isn't as bad as Ney was before going to prison over coingate, Abramoff, etc.
Greg G.
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Greg G." wrote:

Left 20 years ago.

I had a few of those.
As a group, great women.

George Gund, chairman of Cleveland Trust Bank, sealed his fate by forcing the city into bankrupty.

I forget who he replaced, it was a guy who had also served several terms but got tired of the rat race.
Haven't heard an explanation of why he voted against the health care bill, but it probably a protest vote.
Lew
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You've obviously never really enjoyed a nurse, then. When they're STEWED, they are much better.
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"Nonny" wrote:

I won't go there except to say most of the nurses I met in my misspent youth could put a drunken sailor to shame when it came to John Barley Corn.
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