On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:18:06 -0500, the infamous email@example.com
scrawled the following:
Join the rest of us, Uppy. Plonk him and forget him!
The Smart Person learns from his mistakes.
The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
It's not for saving a life - it's for diagnosing an injury (that may be life
saving). I suspect that MRI machines at football stadiums are virtually
never used (maybe once a year?). The people who own the MRI machine don't
WANT to donate it to the community health center. They use it (possibly) to
protect their players which makes more money for the owners which allows
them to donate to worthy causes far in excess of one MRI machine. The poor
can't even take care of themselves, let alone contribute to the well-being
Arguing from a false premise. Every mandated right implies a duty on the
part of someone else. If the pregnant mother had a "right" of any kind, a
duty is simultaneously imposed on others. Inasmuch as we reject the imposed
duty, if follows she has no "right" to life - or anything else - at our
This hash was settled in the late 18th Century with the publication of the
"Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. In it he postulated "The Invisble Hand"
which, simply, means that when everyone acts to improve their own personal
condition, the overall condition of society, humanity, improves.
Some people just need to keep up.
Lots of "hash" is and has been postulated through the ages. Doesn't
mean it counts for much. And that "invisible hand) works at glacial
speed at best which takes generations to have any noticeable effect.
What if the MRI money was instead invested in education for that
pregnant mother. Within half a generation a really noticeable effect
is seen. She brings up a family, ensures decent education to all her
children who are grown and have families of their own who will likely
succeed tremendously. And, how many families could benefit from
education money derived from the sale of that one MRI machine.
However you want to mandate it, MRI machines are just a way companies
ensure some of their profit making practices bear fruit. Nothing else
and certainly not as a means so athletes stay healthy enough to
volunteer and change the landscape of charity. They're strictly there
to protect athletes and have extremely little trickle down effect to
You've been smoking something too much.
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:40:01 -0700, Doug Winterburn
Of course not. I was responding to heybub suggesting MRI's are good
things for Athletes so they're kept healthy and then charities will
benefit from them being able to volunteer. As far as I'm concerned,
they're strictly for asset protection of the for businesses who own
the athlete's contracts.
Of coure you're correct. The Communist and, to a lesser degree, the
socialist and liberal believe that the size of the pie is fixed and the size
of the slices needs to be adjusted, regularized, or re-cut so that everybody
has (roughly) the same amount.
The capitalist believes that the size of the pie can be increased and
everybody can have a bigger slice. Virtually all the "poor" in America have
a home, a car, a cell-phone, a TV, a microwave, electric lights, running
water, and a malt. The ratio of their slice to that of the well-off remains
the same, but in absolute terms their slice is WAY bigger than in places
where wealth is redistributed.
In sum, the liberal holds that wealth is generally constant and fairness
demands equality of it's distribution. The capitalist believes that wealth
can be created and, by so doing, lifts all boats.
Let's compare writing and content styles:
Bub, Doug, Mark, me, et al argue from facts and about ideas.
The resident leftie apologists like you, Uppy et al argue about
the people that they don't like here and what we have to say.
I'd say you've got major holes in your ideation and fact base.
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
I have an opinion. I join discussion already well under way and render
that opinion (notice that I do not start these OT festivals). Whether
or not it changes the politicians' minds is irrelevant. But ... it
seems that a good many people here like to start OT discussion and
then run around angrily when they discover that not everyone sees
things their way.
What I do not do is assault the person or character of the
*individuals* who disagree with me. I might call their ideas bad,
absurd, or wrong, but I do not describe them in personally malicious
terms nor do I wish violence upon them (which has been directed at me
in just this thread). The point is that people that will not debate
ideas generally have none. They're usually addicted to the act of
debate, not the content.
Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.
- Eleanor Roosevelt
Tim Daneliuk email@example.com
I've stay out of most of these political threads, but I have noticed the
above to be true. I think these guys really get off on talking down to
you and targeting you with the ad hominems.
It gets old fast and I think they need new picture to jerk off to. :-)
I'm stealing this... thank you.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
I didn't know you were from Cleveland.
I have a nurse fried who lives there.
He has been through a lot of turmoil in his career, but is certainly
not the worse of the bunch. While mayor he was successful in a battle
against selling the municipal electric utility which many considered a
public service. (Excepting the power companies who put up big bucks to
oust him.) At least he appears to stand for his convictions,
regardless of whether you agree with them or not. Apparently others
agree, hasn't he served six or seven terms in the house?
I don't live there, obviously, so my information could be flawed, but
at least he isn't as bad as Ney was before going to prison over
coingate, Abramoff, etc.
George Gund, chairman of Cleveland Trust Bank, sealed his fate by
forcing the city into bankrupty.
I forget who he replaced, it was a guy who had also served several
terms but got tired of the rat race.
Haven't heard an explanation of why he voted against the health care
bill, but it probably a protest vote.
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