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"diggerop" wrote:

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55' of class! That's a truly magnificent effort, Lew. When she goes, I imagine it will be like raising a kid and then sending them off into the wide world to face who knows what. You did well.
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:16:29 +0800, the infamous "diggerop"

So, about an hour and a half at "fun" speeds? I took a drive down the coast highway in California a couple years ago. The 17 mile stretch between the main highway (I-5) and the coast route (US-101) was a twisty breath of fresh air. I sped down it in my pickemup truck in seldom less than a 2-wheel drift. Another Ford pickup came up behind me so I slowed down, then kept up after he passed. I think he was trying to impress the very pretty blonde in the seat next to him. That was a fun trip until we hit traffic doing 25-35mph. I've always loved curves, both on women and roads.
Here in Oregon, with its heavily wooded areas, one can come around a corner and find a downed tree across the road. I've tended to slow down with the rains and logs here. <sigh> But the roads here take the rain a lot better than they did in California. I'm not physically forced to slow down (to the speed limit?) here when it rains. ;)
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wrote:

Hell Ed. You've got to admit that accusing any number of Americans as being socialist in nature is tantamount to committing a declaration of war, even if you were ribbing them. To some people, the word is a volatile, disgusting tool of the damned. There's no room for humour there. Diggerop may not be American, but he might harbor some of those same feelings about socialism.
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Heh. Now if he'd labeled me a thief or murderer, shyster or philanderer, (something with redeemable qualities,) I'd maybe have let it pass. But a *Socialist*? Dagnabbit man, that's the lowest form of life on the planet. ; )
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diggerop wrote:

Well said. Unfortunately a great many Americans (on the left and the right) take an entrenched tribal view of things, and either you stick to their party line all the way, or you're a heretic.
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DGDevin said:

I've noticed that. Perhaps it's something to do with that Us vs. Them mentality that becomes entrenched from exposure to high school football competition. One reason I've always liked the physical sciences - irrefutable, reproducible, fact based truths. Mostly...
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:09:12 -0500, the infamous Greg

Tell that to Algore and the alarmist scientists fearing Anthropogenic Global Warming (kumbaya), Greg. ;)
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DGDevin wrote:

The problem with this whole thing is that it fundamentally changes the relationship of citizens to the government; your comments regarding the Howard government sort of reinforce that. What this kind of program does is change us from citizens to subjects, making us dependent upon the government for a very basic need. Future debates then no longer revolve around freedom, they revolve around the cost of the health system, what special interest groups get funded, what rationing is applied to what unfortunate group of citizens. [Yeah, I know, the statists will cry that the health insurance companies do that now. The fact is however, that if one doesn't like what a health insurance company determines, there are alternatives. At worst, one can leverage one's personal assets and get a loan for the needed treatment. When government says, "no", the answer based on the 2000+ page Pelosi/Obama-care bill is "NO".]
This whole fiasco has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with increasing power and control of the government. This, coupled with the global warming legislation places the government in control of every aspect of our lives. Are people really so willing to surrender to this in the name of having other people pay for their health insurance?
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:31:04 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

But we ARE the government. Or don't you vote?
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Heh. Who was it that said that something along the lines of "One of the problems of democracy is every time we vote, we elect a politician." ?
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

No, we elect the government, which then goes on doing what it has always been doing.
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:23:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"

Have to agree with that statement unfortunately. And if someone is elected who doesn't do what the rest of the government does, he/she learns to damn fast.
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snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com said:

Seems that way. Learns or gets offed. Tough slog. But the longer you wait, the worse it gets. Yet freedom require diligence - what's a few more bodies? Probably explains why so few possess a shred of integrity.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

I didn't vote for any of the herd of czars:
http://www.infowars.com/senior-democrat-says-obamas-czars-unconstitutional /
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

Do you really think that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried really think that way? If so, this abomination of a health care bill would never have gotten as far as it has with polls showing a solid majority opposing it. With the direct taxation from the income tax, the near-certainty of incumbent re-election (strengthened through McCain-Feingold), you are electing aritocrats who intend to rule and intend to use bills like Pelosi-care and cap and tax to rule as much of citizens' personal lives as they can. They no longer view themselves as representatives of the people.
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

I suggest that Nancy Pelosi represents her San Francisco constituency accurately.
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:49:13 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

From USA Today:
"By 56%-33%, those surveyed endorse the idea of enacting major health care changes this year. Just one in four say it's not important to them.
When it comes to financing the costs, six of 10 favor the idea of requiring employers to provide health insurance for their workers or pay a fee instead. Increasing income taxes on upper-income Americans, an approach backed by House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., is endorsed by 58%. Just over half support taxing sugary soft drinks."
Now where do you get "a solid majority opposing it"?
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"do you want health insurance if it doesn't come out of your paycheck and someone else is going to pay for it?"
heck, in my area, there is currently plans for a strike against 2 major supermarket chains simply because the contract presented to the union is identical to the one they are working under except that workers would have to pay $5/paycheck for health insurance (currently their cost is $0, with copays of $0).

regards, charlie phoenix, az
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

<http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/06/cnn-poll-public-wants-congress-to-keep-working-on-health-care/ 45% support / 53% oppose. Now, given the fact that this was pretty much Obama's margin of victory last November, and we were all told that this was a "solid majority for Obama", I am going to apply that same standard and say that 53% oppose is a solid majority *against* the health care bill.
Other polls:
From that bastion of conservatism -- the AP poll: <http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK_Poll_11_10_09.pdf HC1 showing a 39%for 45% against -- when you look at the internals, the poll was heavily weighted toward democrats with 43% democrats, 31% republicans surveyed. Even with a 12 point democrat advantage the poll couldn't get a favored win.
Other polls: <http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php Rasmussen: 45% favor/ 52% oppose Pew 34% favor / 47% oppose
As far as the USA Today poll, the numbers you cite are from a July 14 poll before people had a chance to really delve into the details of the [then] 1200 page monstrosity that has now grown to over 2000 pages.
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