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"J. Clarke" wrote:

Liking it is not a requirement, when the majority well being is involved.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:11:28 -0700, the infamous Doug Winterburn

Two points, Doug! Har!
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wrote:

The Constitution is *supposed* to prevent the tyranny of the majority.
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On 3/25/2010 10:11 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Not when the Ruling Critters feel no obligation to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution. The simple fact about all this is that we as a whole are getting what we (as a whole) deserve. An historically ignorant population that that skipped civics, philosophy, ethics, and economics while they were busy getting stoned in the 1960s is unlikely to make good calls about limiting the power of an intrusive central government. Obama and his slimy sidewinders didn't get elected because they were good at running for office, they got elected because the public are big, dumb, and happy. Collectivism is ultimately self-inflicted... The moochers and the looters have won the day, at least for the moment. Everyone may as well get used to it, because you cannot change what the Villagers With Torches demand at the point of their pitchforks...
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

I'm glad Washington, Jefferson, Madison, et al didn't share that sentiment, not to mention Churchill, Patton and millions of others.
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When the British tried to control us, Washington and others had them shot... I'm not quite there yet, but I can see that MANY others are...
I wonder how much we don't hear about in the media...
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On 3/26/2010 3:23 PM, Jack Stein wrote:

They had the sentiment of the population mostly *with* them. The problem today is not the politicians. It is that the public at large has increasingly been populated with moochers and something-for-nothing parasites who *oppose* small government, personal responsibility, thrift, hard work, and so forth. The problem with all these threads is that many of you see Obama et al as the problem. He and his fellow travelers are merely the visible sign of a much, much deeper disease infesting the nation as a whole.
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

I'm not sure you are right about this. I've seen surveys that indicate about 70% of Americans are conservative, 25% liberal. I suspect the number might even be higher. I know a slew of democrats that are right of Attila the Hun, but still vote 100% for the socialist bastards that call themselves Democrats. They are bombarded with left wing, socialist propaganda and mostly are watching left wing crap on tv, like the network news, law and order, david letterman and so on, while Rome is burning just outside their front door.
The problem with all these threads

Well, I agree with that, the problem is far more with Congress than with the Executive.

Yes, but I'm not thinking its the American people as much as the socialist controlled, media propaganda machine. Thank god for Fox News, it's the ONLY thing I've seen on TV in the past 50 years that is not blatantly far left wing, socialist propaganda.
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On 3/27/2010 10:21 AM, Jack Stein wrote:

No, this isn't quite right. Of *voters*, about 20% identify as liberal, about 40% identify as conservatives, and the other 40% call themselves independents.

Don't ever kid yourself. There is a huge appetite among the people for Other People's Money. Something approxiating 50% of the people get more back than they pay into the system and then wail about how unfair it is that they can't get more.

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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

My guess is that 30% of those identifying themselves as "independent" are like me, conservatives that don't want identified with Republicans.

You're likely right on this one, but at least until November, I'm going to try to think a bit less pessimistic...
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On 3/28/2010 8:59 AM, Jack Stein wrote:

Again, I disagree a bit. There are plenty of us that are really unhappy with what we believe to be ideologues on both the right- and the left- that have abandoned the principle of "less government is mostly better". I cannot abide the left. But it's equally hard to buy the alleged "conservative" that says, "I believe in limited government" and then goes running to that same government to demand strict laws to prohibit personal drug habits, variant sexual behaviors, flag burning prohibitions, and moral codes of various kinds. As just one example, the very same "conservatives" that claim to embrace Federalism and limited Federal power, were the first ones in line in the Schiavo case to get the *Federal* courts to intervene in a very private matter.
The reality is that we independents of all flavors - greens, libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, etc. - control the vote. The left certainly is very much a minority, and even the right at twice the size cannot swing a controlling vote on their own. But the REAL problem is that there is precious little to vote for and almost everything to vote against. Both the right- and the left have decided that power is more important than anything else. Personally, I prefer to vote for freedom. Absent that, I vote against those currently in power - gridlock is good, and political change is better.
In short, the political systems of the Western democracies would benefit considerably from a big mug full of "Shut up and mind your own business", something the left is constitutionally incapable of doing and the right does very poorly ...
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, eh?
All for the good of the collective.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:03:21 -0700, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"

Do you really believe that crap, Lew? Do you believe that health insurance is going to solve any or all of the nation's healthcare problems? Do you think that this may be a problem for some people on low or limited incomes? Do you believe that allowing the exemptions will make any change whatsoever in the lives of those who have to exempt themselves?
What do you see coming from this plan? Do you see any downside to it? If so, please state it/them. I'd really like to know.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

One of the many things about this whole debacle is how the statists (given some of the utterances here, collectivists would be a more apt description) have been crying about how "adequate healthcare is a fundamental right". We even had the Speaker of the House telling us how wonderful this plan would be because people could now take time off to write a book or become an artist without having to worry about health care if they or a family member became sick. Upon further reflection, my thought was, "this sounds good, I will give up my job as an engineering program manager and devote myself full time to being able to pursue creative woodworking. I won't have to worry about health insurance now, so why not?" After that brief 20 millisecond reflection, the thought came, "Well, health care is all well and good, but I'm pretty healthy and haven't had any issues with that to this point. However [comma] if I were to do something like that, in addition to health insurance there is the little matter of paying for housing, transportation and food". Just because my neighbors are going to pay for my health insurance doesn't mean they will be forced to house or feed me -- something pretty necessary for me to continue to pursue my woodworking career path and my mortgage company is going to take a dim view of not receiving my payments. So, if health care is a fundamental human right, but really is not, for most people, something that is accessed on a frequent basis, why then are not housing and food, things accessed on a daily basis, considered fundamental human rights? Shouldn't I have the right to not worry about having adequate shelter? Shouldn't housing be a fundamental human right? Shouldn't I have the right not to worry about being hungry, shouldn't food be a fundamental human right?
I mean, since the government has now declared that others should pay for my health care if I am unable or unwilling to do so, shouldn't they also have to pay to make sure that I am well-housed and well-fed? Oh, and clothing is a basic human need as well. Why aren't we nationalizing that as well?
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scrawled the following:

I agree with you in spirit. But the DIFFERENCE is that health care is that, unlike, housing, food, etc, without insurance health care is an unpredictable expense that can be devastating.

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On 3/27/2010 1:10 AM, Bill wrote:

And the government isn't buying your insurance for you. The notion that you can forget about it and quit your job is silly. If you don't have enough income to buy insurance and aren't in one of the categories that can get welfare (and healthy white male is not one of those categories) then you're screwed. There's nothing in this law that provides you insurance. Nothing whatsoever. All it says is that you have go out and buy it like you do now and pay for it like you do now or the government will sock you with a big fine.
This isn't about helping the poor, it's about giving the insurance industry a huge windfall and keeping the poor poor so that they'll be there to justify the next horrible intrusion in our lives that the bastards want to perpetrate.
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:46:12 -0700, Mark & Juanita

It appears that you've got the national right to whine down pat. Guess the national right to whine even more shrilly is just around the corner.
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We're learning from you Uppity.
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Don't forget that free SawStop.

Others? GOVERNMENT should pay for all the necessities. Come to think of it, I really need a drill press, band saw, and lathe. GOVERNMENT has lotsa money.
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