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Then you've been very lucky or not had do deal with a serious but "non-urgent" procedure.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:05:08 -0600, Dave Balderstone

Possibly not, but a claim of twenty-four weeks as a common occurrence is a completely misleading statement. Surely it happens on occasion, but it's not the commonplace situation that Heybub claims.
And as well, the availability of public funds to pay for such procedures is a consideration, but that's a necessary limitation in such a system.
If you're middle class in the US needing a hip replacement costing in the range of $30,000 - $40,000, have no insurance and don't have the funds on hand, what do you do? As I understand it, you'll never get treatment at all unless you become indigent. If that's wrong, then please correct my belief. At least in Canada, you'd get the needed surgery eventually, difficult as the wait might be.
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Upscale wrote:

and hospital.
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote:

After that often comes bankruptcy.
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:40:41 -0700, Doug Winterburn

Yeah right! At what rate ~ $10 per week? Mortgage payments or rent, food, current car payments, supporting the in law in nursing care, one of the family breadwinners off work for at least a month assuming problem free healing. And, you'd have everybody believe that the basic middle class family is solvent enough to take on a $40,000 debt without extreme difficulty.
You're naive a best, woefully ignorant at worst. Which is it?
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I set up a $10 per month plan for one of my aunts in Michigan. Sat there across the table from the apoplectic bean counters, one of them sputtering that it would take 573 years for her to pay the bill at that rate. I told them that, if she lived that long they'd get all of it. Had her $10 check on the desk and asked them whether they wanted that, or nothing. They opted for the payment plan and she paid for the rest of her life.
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That immediately makes me think of your housing boom that went bust. People taking on debt that they can't ever realistically pay off, yet the bean counters authorized the transaction anyway. Of course, that debt wasn't for paltry small sums such as your aunt took on, but it's a debt that should never have been authorized anyway.
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It was my deceased uncle's hospital bill, and it was not paltry at the time.
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:07:58 -0500, the infamous Upscale

Nope, they shoulda let the old biddy die instead, huh, Uppy? Man, you're conflicted.
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:48:28 -0700, Larry Jaques

I said that it was a untenable debt, not that she shouldn't get health care, so stick it up your ass.
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:06:29 -0500, the infamous Upscale

Enough. Buh bye!
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Upscale wrote:

Neither, I've had to negotiate with doctors and dentists because I couldn't pay the lump sum. In one case, it took 3 years to pay off the total. And if it had been $10/month that was my limit, I would be considered indigent and been on one of the multitude of support programs.
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Upscale wrote:

I went in the emergency room once, and was seen by the doctor in about 20 minutes. He had the nurse draw some blood for a test, and said he'd be back. I waited 3 hours, sick as a dog and decided fuck it, I'm leaving. I about crawled out of there and an emergency room nurse came running saying you can't leave, the doctor has to see you yet. I said I've been waiting 3 hours, I'm gone...
When I got home, the phone was ringing, it was the doctor, who apologized and gave me the diagnosis and he phoned in a prescription for me....
30 days indeed....
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:21:47 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

peoples' money.
Isn't it amazing that the only examples opponents come up with are England and Canada? Yes, England's plan is screwed up. But I've spent a lot of time talking to Canadians about their plan and all of them, while admitting it could stand improvement, are on the whole quite pleased with it.
I'll see your Canada and raise you Japan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan
Let me know what you think after (if?) you read it.
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On 3/25/2010 4:37 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:

Let me know what you think when the elderly retirees outnumber the workers. Japan's in trouble and they know it.

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:45:50 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

That scenario applies to a lot more than health care. And to a lot more countries than Japan. What happens to all those seniors who are unable to work and are not independently wealthy when a government stops paying Social Security or it's equivalent?
IOW, the "graying population" is indeed a problem, but is independent of, and more serious than, any health care program.
So once again I ask, what's your opinion of Japan's health care plan?
If Japan's doesn't appeal to you, try Germany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care#Germany
I did note the following from that article:
"Despite attempts to contain costs, overall health care expenditures rose to 10.7% of GDP in 2005, comparable to other western European nations, but substantially less than that spent in the U.S. (nearly 16% of GDP)."
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On 3/26/2010 12:59 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:

Uh if you investigate you will find that Japan's population is now in decline and has been for some time. I do not believe that any other industrialized nation has reached that point.

Not so. That graying population has the most need for medical treatment, and the least means to pay for it.

That it's going to go bankrupt.

That Germany is doing something is in and of itself a reason to be suspicious of it. Germany, in case you haven't noticed, is not exactly squeaky-clean on the matter of civil rights.

Your point being?
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J. Clarke wrote:

Great Britain, France, many of the European countries have birthrates below replacement rate. Russia has the same problem. All of these countries have birthrates below replacement rate with the exception of a certain population of middle-eastern immigrants with strong religious affiliations toward a philosophy diametrically opposed to tolerance, freedom, and liberty.
In addition, China is also deliberately pushing a population reduction policy as well with their one-child policy. Due to the culture in that country that places a high value on boys and very little on girls, the desire for a son has led to widespread abortion and even infanticide. The other side effect of this is that they have a lopsided gender-gap skewed toward males. This is going to create very interesting problems in the not very distant future.
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About damn time! ...but it's already too late. I give the human species less than 25 yrs on this rock. We've already screwed it up beyond saving, I truly believe. So, eat, drink, screw, and be merry and buy a new Ford Incursion or HoaxHummer2 to squander even more gas. I'll be dead by then, anyway. Toodles! ;)
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wrote:

A birth rate in decline is not the same as being below replacement rate. Without immigration one leads to the other, but not immediately. It may take 50 years for the snake to digest its meal. With immigration all bets are off. That's where the Europeons are going. Japan's immigration is about zero.

It already is.
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