Well, if that's the best reply you can produce, then I won't have to
worry about losing any arguments to you.
One thing I've always been able to do is laugh at myself, no matter
how heated a discussion gets. You're perfectly free to take yourself
as seriously as you want Larry. Unfortunately for you, it means that
nobody else will.
There's no challenge here. You sir are an idiot. I had you
killfiled for a long time but cleared it out and decided to
give everyone another chance. Same shit, different day.
Let's clears this up. Two simple sentences. See if you can
1-This is not about healthcare for all.
2-The is about redistribution of wealth.
Can you understand that? It's pretty simple. All of your hot
air about fundamental rights is BS, nothing more. If you think
supporting deadbeats and illegals is the right thing, then
send them your money.
I once tried to think like a liberal but was unable to get my
head that far up my ass.
This is not about supporting deadbeats and illegals, it's about the
government ordering us to buy something that we don't want. Not taxing
us and having it provided, but telling us you _must_ buy this product.
Deadbeats and illegals are already "supported". What's new is that
everybody who is not a deadbeat or illegal is required by law to go out
and enrich insurance companies.
And suppose everyone here has it, or nobody here has it, or some of us
have it and some of us don't, what of it? I'm sorry, but your poll has
no relevance to the point in question.
Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether you
want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say
that that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you
_must_ buy insurance acceptable?
I haven't decided my position on this issue, but I see a problem with the
Everyone would benefit from having insurance--even if they can't afford it,
but not everyone would benefit from having
a Unisaw. Think of the spending as raising the level of happiness accross
the population, as a shared expense, as the cost of war presumably does.
Whether such a system would work well is another question entirely.
Whether it works well is irrelevant. Whether one benefits is
irrelevant. The issue is the power of the government to compel someone
to purchase a commercial product. If they can order you to purchase
insurance, what prevents them from ordering you to purchase a Unisaw?
I didn't read many posts before I jumped in. But, what's the difference
what you described above and taxation? I think the newly proposed system
is intended to help the poor--yes, at a cost to those that are in a better
But....as you know, our health care system costs are wrecking havoc on our
FWIW, I have republican ideals but I am sensitive to the needs of the
disabled, for instance, too. Some folks need medicine more than they need a
Unisaw. One could argue that health is a more basic need than that of
I believe we are to great a country to allow people to suffer because they
have a health care plan.
If they can order you to purchase
The mentally disabled, and all disabled for that matter, are eligible in
the US for free medical, including prescriptions, as long as they don't
have, and can't afford to pay their own way. This is via the SSI
program, or, Supplemental Security Income program administered by the
Social Security Administration.
Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
Good point. Expanding on that, what they want is "single payer" or
socialized, government controlled and owned medical system. This never
works, and is anti-American to the extreme. The US government is not to
be in the business of business. The socialist democrats have usurped GM
and Chrysler, about taken over the banking industry, education, public
transit, gambling, sports stadiums, in my state liquor stores and who
know what else.
Now they want the big enchilada, health care. People generally lose
more and more as big brother clenches his powerful, tyrannical jaws
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:02:30 -0400, Jack Stein wrote:
Universal health care can be implemented in several ways, single payer is
not the only way. Perhaps you could say "this never works" to all of the
countries that have UHC? They'd laugh and declare you nuts. But I guess
everyone's out of step but you.
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Yep, it's working great in Great Britain, isn't it? Canada is headed the
same direction. Right now it's wait times, rationing will come next.
Problem with socialism it that you eventually run out of other peoples'
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Heh! According to my GE rep, there are more MRI machines in Seattle than in
all of Canada. According to one set of numbers, there are 222 MRI machines
in Canada. There are 163 hospitals in my town, almost all have at least one
MRI machine and the larger more than one. My town also has 55 private
imaging centers, each with up to four MRI machines. Many - I'd guess a
hundred or more - physicians have their own MRI machine. So, then, there are
probably 3-500 MRI machines in my little burg.
In my own case, I twisted my knee quite badly. Got in to see my internist
that afternoon. He doped me up with some pain killers and he arranged for an
MRI the next morning. By noon the next day the result was in.
In Canada, waits far exceeding 24 hours are the norm. Twenty-four WEEKS is
My wife, Angela, runs the Heart & Stroke Prevention unit at our MRI-
equipped local hospital. There are 8 MRI's within 45 mins to an hour
from here. She has had emerg referrals handled by the local MRI in 20
minutes. Of the 4 doctors attached to her unit, 1 is always on call.
THAT, Bub, is the hard-core reality of medical care in this county of
100,000 people. Nobody gets turned away, no billing.
Some local doctors are actively seeking patients to flesh out new
practices. So, your information, Bub, is incorrect.
Six months eh? You're full of absolute bullshit. I've had extensive
experience in the Canadian health care system over the last thirty
years, I've NEVER had to wait more than 30 days for ANYTHING medically
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