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Well, if that's the best reply you can produce, then I won't have to worry about losing any arguments to you.
One thing I've always been able to do is laugh at myself, no matter how heated a discussion gets. You're perfectly free to take yourself as seriously as you want Larry. Unfortunately for you, it means that nobody else will.
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There's no challenge here. You sir are an idiot. I had you killfiled for a long time but cleared it out and decided to give everyone another chance. Same shit, different day.
Let's clears this up. Two simple sentences. See if you can understand this...
1-This is not about healthcare for all. 2-The is about redistribution of wealth.
Can you understand that? It's pretty simple. All of your hot air about fundamental rights is BS, nothing more. If you think supporting deadbeats and illegals is the right thing, then send them your money.
Larry
I once tried to think like a liberal but was unable to get my head that far up my ass.
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On Mar 22, 9:18 pm, Larry The Rice Burner doth speweth: .

Ahhh yes, that redistribution dilemma. Now the Libtards are redistributing it THEIR way and not the REPUGLICAN way!!!

Of course it is simple. The Right is pissed they don't get to redistribute the money THEIR way.
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On 3/22/2010 6:40 PM, Robatoy wrote:

What gets me is that neither the politicians of the Left nor the politicians of the Right show any inclination of redistributing THEIR money, just yours and mine.
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That's all anybody ever wanted: a healthcare package like the one congress gets.
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wrote:

Then why are they exempted from following the rules of that Bill? For that matter why aren't they required to participate in Social Security, either (if they were, we'd see REAL change in it!) Tom
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On 3/22/2010 9:18 PM, Larry wrote:

This is not about supporting deadbeats and illegals, it's about the government ordering us to buy something that we don't want. Not taxing us and having it provided, but telling us you _must_ buy this product.
Deadbeats and illegals are already "supported". What's new is that everybody who is not a deadbeat or illegal is required by law to go out and enrich insurance companies.
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Show of hands, please. Who here does not already buy health insurance?
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On 3/23/2010 9:10 PM, Steve wrote:

And suppose everyone here has it, or nobody here has it, or some of us have it and some of us don't, what of it? I'm sorry, but your poll has no relevance to the point in question.
Suppose the government told you that you _must_ buy a Unisaw whether you want one or not and whether you can afford one or not. Would you say that that was acceptable? If not then why is them telling you that you _must_ buy insurance acceptable?
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I haven't decided my position on this issue, but I see a problem with the analogy above. Everyone would benefit from having insurance--even if they can't afford it, but not everyone would benefit from having a Unisaw. Think of the spending as raising the level of happiness accross the population, as a shared expense, as the cost of war presumably does. Whether such a system would work well is another question entirely.
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On 3/23/2010 11:41 PM, Bill wrote:

Whether it works well is irrelevant. Whether one benefits is irrelevant. The issue is the power of the government to compel someone to purchase a commercial product. If they can order you to purchase insurance, what prevents them from ordering you to purchase a Unisaw?
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I didn't read many posts before I jumped in. But, what's the difference between what you described above and taxation? I think the newly proposed system is intended to help the poor--yes, at a cost to those that are in a better position. But....as you know, our health care system costs are wrecking havoc on our country. FWIW, I have republican ideals but I am sensitive to the needs of the mentally disabled, for instance, too. Some folks need medicine more than they need a Unisaw. One could argue that health is a more basic need than that of machinery. I believe we are to great a country to allow people to suffer because they don't have a health care plan.
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They don't.
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Bill wrote:

The mentally disabled, and all disabled for that matter, are eligible in the US for free medical, including prescriptions, as long as they don't have, and can't afford to pay their own way. This is via the SSI program, or, Supplemental Security Income program administered by the Social Security Administration.
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J. Clarke wrote:

Good point. Expanding on that, what they want is "single payer" or socialized, government controlled and owned medical system. This never works, and is anti-American to the extreme. The US government is not to be in the business of business. The socialist democrats have usurped GM and Chrysler, about taken over the banking industry, education, public transit, gambling, sports stadiums, in my state liquor stores and who know what else.
Now they want the big enchilada, health care. People generally lose more and more as big brother clenches his powerful, tyrannical jaws around freedom.
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:02:30 -0400, Jack Stein wrote:

Universal health care can be implemented in several ways, single payer is not the only way. Perhaps you could say "this never works" to all of the countries that have UHC? They'd laugh and declare you nuts. But I guess everyone's out of step but you.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

Yep, it's working great in Great Britain, isn't it? Canada is headed the same direction. Right now it's wait times, rationing will come next. Problem with socialism it that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.

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Mark & Juanita wrote:

Heh! According to my GE rep, there are more MRI machines in Seattle than in all of Canada. According to one set of numbers, there are 222 MRI machines in Canada. There are 163 hospitals in my town, almost all have at least one MRI machine and the larger more than one. My town also has 55 private imaging centers, each with up to four MRI machines. Many - I'd guess a hundred or more - physicians have their own MRI machine. So, then, there are probably 3-500 MRI machines in my little burg.
In my own case, I twisted my knee quite badly. Got in to see my internist that afternoon. He doped me up with some pain killers and he arranged for an MRI the next morning. By noon the next day the result was in.
In Canada, waits far exceeding 24 hours are the norm. Twenty-four WEEKS is more common.
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My wife, Angela, runs the Heart & Stroke Prevention unit at our MRI- equipped local hospital. There are 8 MRI's within 45 mins to an hour from here. She has had emerg referrals handled by the local MRI in 20 minutes. Of the 4 doctors attached to her unit, 1 is always on call.
THAT, Bub, is the hard-core reality of medical care in this county of 100,000 people. Nobody gets turned away, no billing. Some local doctors are actively seeking patients to flesh out new practices. So, your information, Bub, is incorrect.
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wrote:

Six months eh? You're full of absolute bullshit. I've had extensive experience in the Canadian health care system over the last thirty years, I've NEVER had to wait more than 30 days for ANYTHING medically related.
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