O/T: Knee Jerk

Page 8 of 8  


Don't forget to add Granite installers to Tim Geitner's list of government controlled incomes.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:30:48 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:

It's worse than that. The Republicans rate saving the environemnt, increasing workplace safety, providing a living wage, etc., below making money. "You can't do ......, it'll cut my profits." What do they care, they'll be dead by the time the shit hits the fan.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Larry Blanchard wrote:

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
In my view, it's pitiful that an employer has to pay $56/hour to a worker AND put up signs that say "Do not put finger in the saw."
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Larry Blanchard wrote:

There is a big leap of faith here in your statement that is baldly wrong. The proposals of the left do not "save the environment", "increase workplace safety", "provide a living wage", or any such other thing. They are nothing more than cheap political theatrics to buy votes from the sub-literate moochers exemplified by ACORN and its minions. The honest way to accomplish this is to reform tort laws to do two things:
1) Make silly law suits punishingly expensive for the attorneys bringing.
2) Make it easier for the average person to bring suit when there is a legitimate claim for things like poor workplace safety.
These two things are very difficult to get right simultaneously, but at least it is remotely possible. There is NO hope of using law to legislate these charming little experiments in social engineering fairly. Every single one of the things you cite benefits some people to the detriment of other, except in principle, environmental laws. The problem with those is that the government always gets them wrong - go look at what's happening in the San Joachin valley today for an example of what happens when the lunatic left pantheists are put in charge of the EPA.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Daneliuk snipped-for-privacy@tundraware.com
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Scott Lurndal wrote:

Yeah, that's OLD for sure. The absolute last way to provide individual freedom is by empowering government. Neither todays Dems nor Repubs have any plan on reducing government. You seem to be lost in left wing, socialist bastard drivel that is today the domain of both Democratic AND Republican parties.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org /
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:14:49 -0500, HeyBub wrote:

You've got to be kidding! Or trolling. Most people get their insurance through their employer. Unless that employer gets complaints from a lot of employees, he's not going to change. If an employee tries to get other insurance on his own, he'll soon find out he can't afford it.
Try living in the real world.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Larry Blanchard wrote:

Exactly, and anyone with the proverbial pre-existing condition is screwed if they look for private insurance, it's either impossible to find or so expensive as to be out of reach. Employers are feeling the pinch too, it's one more reason to move production overseas where they aren't faced with crippling health coverage bills. More and more citizens with less and less coverage, but some folks figure we don't need reform--astonishing, isn't it.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

No, you're not.
First, many employers only offer one choice.
Second, non-employer sponsored plans will cost the employee much, much more than the employer sponsored plan; and the employee may not be able to afford it (note that the current figure for the average family employer plan is $13k per year between the employer and employee for premiums).
scott
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
writes:

one changes insurance companies by changing employers, if it's that important to the person. if it's a government 'insurance' company, i would suppose one would have to emmigrate to change.
no one said either would be easy or have drawbacks.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Scott Lurndal wrote:

Yes you are. If you don't like the POS you're driving, you can buy another car. The difference between a used Pinto and a new Lamborghini is one of price, not the availability of the choice.
You can even self-insure!
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Scott Lurndal wrote:

If the company is providing the insurance then it belongs to the company and covers you. The same as any company policy, you live with it or look elsewhere. If you don't like the way the company is being run then, for many reasons, it is best if you look elsewhere. Because if you are right and it it is being badly run, then you may be out of work if you stay. I read some where that a recent graduate will have 6 jobs in the next 20 years.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On 23 Sep 2009 21:20:34 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

Thre is more than one employer.

There is more than one employer. If you don't like you're benefits package you are free to look elsewhere. If the employer has a crappy benefit plan he won't have employees.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:53:26 -0500, krw wrote:

There IS a parallel universe! One where theory works out in practice.
Some of us may be in a trade or profession that allows changing jobs at will, but most folks don't have that choice. Especially in a market where there's 100 applicants for every job opening.
I was one of the lucky ones until I retired. But even then I found that it became more and more difficult as I got older. After 50 it was almost impossible.
As an example, try to put yourself in the shoes of a 50 year old retail sales clerk whose employer has just cut benefits. You inquire about openings at other stores and get responses like "you're overqualified" or "we're looking for a trainee". You check into buying your own insurance for yourself and family and find it would cost more than your housing and food. Are you "free"?
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Larry Blanchard wrote:

Uh, yeah...
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:12:58 -0500, Larry Blanchard

In this case, theory and practice are the same.

Find another. No one is owed a living, or anything else.

Crap. I'm 57 and just started a new job a year ago, after retiring once.

Any more strawmen you'd like to enlist in your dreams?
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Since when do Liberians get to vote here?
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Gee, I thought Bob died a few years ago. He must be 90+?
HeyBub wrote:

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Michael Kenefick wrote:

Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV). Born in 1917. He is ~92.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Related Threads

    HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.