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I don't believe that 85% bullshit for one second, but just for the sake of argument, let's assume it's true. The US has a population of 300 million. That leaves 45 million people that are unsatisfied with your healthcare setup. That's a god awful lot of people who feel they're not receiving adequate healthcare.
45 million. Use a little perspective will you?
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Upscale wrote:

Yeah, it is hard to believe that 85% of people anywhere are happy about anything. I'd bet over half of the 15% ain't happy about anything in their life, and the other half probably are extremely unlucky and got tangled up with routine incompetence. At any rate, the 85% that are happy with their health care are in the know, because they get the best health care on earth, even if not always perfect. When the socialists manage to change our system to one like yours the bad news is then our system will suck as bad as yours, but the good news is, you will not be able to get any better treatment here than you do in Canada.
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I happen to like our medical system. And believe me, I use it so I know about it. Obviously, you thinking it sucks means that you're opinion is based solely on hearsay without any practical experience. Not surprisingly, you're opinion is popular among most of the people in the US who happen to like your system. And just as obviously, that opinion is carried by those who can afford your system. It most certainly isn't 85% if the population, not even close to it.
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Yes, you've heard second, third and fourth hand, but know shit. Let me introduce you to Tim Daneliuk.
Your responses and replies are the frothing at the mouth version his mindset. Just like him, you excel in whining and complaining about government taking you to the poor house. That's what happens to people like you. Enjoy!
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Upscale wrote:

So there are not long waits for MRI's? The death rate for say prostrate cancer is not higher in Canada than the US? Do I have to move to your socialist utopia rather than get my information from 2nd hand sources? I hope not. I will say this, I don't see your country getting invaded by millions of aliens breaking down the borders to share your wealth, or your health care.
Let me introduce you to Tim Daneliuk.
Who?

I like froth....
Just like him, you excel in whining and complaining about

Well you do a lot of it but you certainly don't excel at it... rather stink at it if you must know.

People like me? What are you, a wordsmith? Enjoy what? WTF?
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"Jack Stein" wrote:
<snip a continuing litany of complaints as seen thru the eyes of one afflicted with a severe case of analitis>
Perhaps some oral sex might help, but then again maybe just some Ex-Lax.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Lew -
No matter how many times you offer, most of us are not interested.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Perhaps you should be talking to Barney Frank... You have a much better change with him than me...
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And I do love people who say things like ...Americans are happy with what they have..." which is obvious bullshit to describe a system that is a mess and getting worse. **************************************************
That should read "some" Americans. I'm very happy with mine, but I know I'm better off than most with our plan.
We definitely need some changes, but my concern is what the changes will be and how much it will really cost us. The government track record for efficiency is not the best.
Also, if there are going to be Death Panels, where do we send a list of nominations for ah, shall we say "award recipients"?
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Are we thinking "Mother-In-Law?" < :o)
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:43:10 -0700, Charlie Self wrote:

I'll have to agree with that. I've got Medicare with a supplement and my wife has a high-deductible catastrophic only private plan (till next year, hurray). She pays over twice what I do and gets only a discount on some things. Just had to take her to the emergency room for a yellow jacket sting and the bill, after discount, was about $700. I went in for a suspected mini-stroke a couple of years ago and the bill was over $10,000. I didn't have to pay a cent. OK, I paid for it in taxes back when I was working, but I could afford it then.
One caveat. I tried one of the MedAdvantage plans for a couple of years and found it as restrictive as being in an HMO. I went back to original Medicare.
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Upscale wrote:

The ~85% figure of people being "satisfied" with their health insurance (not care) is correct. There have been at least three large surveys that all come up with about the same figure.
Still, there's a difference between "feeling" the health care was inadequate and not actually receiving proper health care. Probably that percentage of folks are just malcontents who, upon receiving a free bar of gold, would complain that it wasn't in a box. In other words, the patient's impression is not the best metric for deciding "proper."
I might be hopping mad over a leg amputation, but medically it may have been the proper treatment.
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One thing I have learned about insurance is that there are different "standards of care". The dentist, under my old dental insurance, insisted on pulling a tooth and replacing it with a bridge rather than providing a root canal and a crown. I found a new dentist, paid for the root canal and crown out of my own pocket, and dropped the dental insurance...
I think the latter process was too time consuming for the doctor, whom from me, made most of his money from me collecting my monthly premiums.
Bill
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Who did they survey? You're telling us to believe that the 15% of people without health insurance are likely to be the only ones dissatisfied with health insurance in this country? Plain and simple horseshit.
If the figures baffle you, as clear thought seems to, 45 million Americans are without health insurance. There are about 300 million Americans. Forty-five million is 15% of 300 million.
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Charlie Self wrote:

Harris survey, satisfied with health insurance, grades A, B, or C = 85% (Table 1A) http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NEWS/allnewsbydate.asp?NewsIDx1
Kaiser poll September, 2009: Health plan rated Excellent or Good - 90% http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7979.pdf
Greenberg-Quinian (Democratic pollsters) 71% satisfied with existing health plan CBS-NYT: 50% satisfied ABC-Washington Post: 54% satisfied http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/01/americas-health-insurance-plans/strong-satisfaction-health-insurance-coverage /
From just today (9/28/2009) "Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. ...56% are opposed to the plan." http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
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Something else to consider
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090928/healthcare_report_090928/20090928?hub=Health
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Same way they save you money. They want to increase your tax by 50%. People scream and they only tax you an additional 25%, thus they SAVED you 25%. Please be grateful for that.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Yeah, thats one way. Another is they say something will cost a $1trillion but it will really cost $9trillion, thus saving you 8 trillion right up front.
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When I lived in Philadelphia they wanted to build a new sports stadium (Veterans Stadium). The voters had a choice. Regular open stadium, $25 million or a domed stadium for $50 million. The city compromised and gave us the best of both worlds, a regular open stadium for $50 million.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Speaking of wildly successful government programs, what's the status of the Big Dig? Anywhere close to done?
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