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Let the debate begin.
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Well, like him or not, he can get people fired up. That's how ministers and politicians have made their mark, good or bad, for centuries. It does not have to be good information, just good speech
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Now... if his team had a better quarterback,,,,,
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

What's puzzling is why he waited all summer, why he let the baboons (and their handlers) tear up the place. Now many people have been scared spitless and the spineless clowns in Congress (whose first priority is always re-election) are afraid to go toe-to-toe with the various industry lobbies that want things to stay just as they are. Considering what a tight ship they ran during the campaign it's surprising that the administration has let this get as out of control as it has.
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None of that precludes the fact that The Detroit Lions will suck again this year.
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"DGDevin" wrote:

There will be no Republican support for an Obama plan.
There was an election last November, the people spoke, so get on with the job.
With majorities in both the house and the senate, why are the Dems interested in bipartisan support?
Must be some reason.
But then again, I'm not a politican.
Lew
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:59:39 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"

I'm an extreme Libertarian and it is my guess no Libertarian will support Obama's Health care plan. It is financially irresponsible. Government, please get out of my face!!!
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"Phisherman" wrote:

Not to be a wise ass, but how many Libertarian members of congress are there?
How is it financially irresponsible?

When it comes to health care, the government is already involved or "in your face" as you call it.
Think it is called Medicare/Medicaid, VA, government employees, etc.
BTW, if you don't like the proposals being considered, what are your suggestions?
Something has to be done.
Lew
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:20:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"

Stop the waste. If Medicare/Medicade have worked well, I might be for the proposed plan.

Sure, for starters how about reducing the deficit? Balance the budget? Stop printing money? Following the Constitution? Lots of things can be done without spending our children's money.

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"Phisherman" wrote:

You must have missed it.
Stopping the "waste" in Medicare/Medicaid is one of the sources of funds to help pay for the new plan.
BTW, Medicare works quite well, just ask those who have it.

Unless health care costs are reduced, it will be a cold day in hell when the deficit gets reduced.
BTW, you missed my earlier questions: -------------------------------------------------------- Not to be a wise ass, but how many Libertarian members of congress are there?
How is it financially irresponsible? ------------------------------------------------------
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Actually it's a time bomb that will get more powerful as the years pass. The big secret about Medicare that everyone in Washington already knows is that it represents many trillions of dollars of unfunded liability. The current federal deficit is child's play in comparison to what is coming.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

There's a great argument and recommendation. What is preventing them from stopping the waste now? Why should this takeover of 1/6 of the US economy have to happen first before waste in Medicare happening now is stopped? Since Medicare is a government program, why is it that this magical new program is going to be any less subject to fraud and waste than the government system already being poorly managed?
Bottom line, the only way they are going to make this save money is by rationing health care. Somebody is going to decide what treatments are given and to whom and who gets to "take the pain pill". After all, someone's spirit and love of life is too subjective to judge, their age [and political status] is purely objective.

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> Lew Hodgett wrote: > >> "Phisherman" wrote: >> >>> Stop the waste. If Medicare/Medicade have worked well, I might be >>> for >>> the proposed plan. >> >> You must have missed it. >> >> Stopping the "waste" in Medicare/Medicaid is one of the sources of >> funds to help pay for the new plan. > > There's a great argument and recommendation. What is preventing them from > stopping the waste now? Why should this takeover of 1/6 of the US economy > have to happen first before waste in Medicare happening now is stopped? > Since Medicare is a government program, why is it that this magical new > program is going to be any less subject to fraud and waste than the > government system already being poorly managed? > > > Bottom line, the only way they are going to make this save money is by > rationing health care. Somebody is going to decide what treatments are > given and to whom and who gets to "take the pain pill". After all, > someone's spirit and love of life is too subjective to judge, their age > [and political status] is purely objective. > If we do that, where would the Canadians go when they get sick?
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:57:35 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"

Bill Clinton did it. Doubtful Obama will.
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Phisherman wrote:

Not to disagree, but sometimes stopping the waste costs more than ignoring the inefficiency. You can't build a house without making sawdust (unless you're using mud bricks).
As an example, the IRS doesn't seize someone's house, garnish their wages, and file suit in federal court over a delinquent tax bill of two dollars!
No, wait...
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HeyBub wrote:

One of the big problems is that the insurance companies are being forced to cover the uninsured. How does that happen you ask? Well, hospitals are required by law to give at least a minimal standard of treatment to anyone who walks into the emergency room, without regard to means. The laws that require them to do this do not provide any means of compensating them for the costs incurred. Even nonprofit hospitals have to recover costs somehow or they run out of money and can't pay their bills. Thus the means they use to recover costs is to set their rates so that anyone _with_ insurance gets surcharged to cover the uninsured. This means, for example, that Joe Homeless walks into the emergency room to get four stitches and he gets them for free, while I walk into the same emergency room and get four stitches on the same table from the same doctor and get charged 2500 bucks.
One step toward fixing the system would be a Constitutional amendment restricting unfunded mandates--if the government says that you _have_ to provide a good or service to someone who cannot reasonably be expected to pay for it then the government must compensate you for that good or service.
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:42:58 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:

Need I point out that that solution STILL leaves you paying for Joe - just via a different path :-).
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

There's a difference worth noting: you wouldn't only be paying for Joe's stitches, but also for all the clerical overhead needed for the government to process the medical and accounting information.
Guess who pays /those/ bills....
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On 09/14/2009 10:09 AM, Morris Dovey wrote:

Presumably there's already hospital paperwork to cover treatment of uninsured individuals, so the only additional effort would be to send the claim to the government.
I assume that the hospital would submit it as an electronic claim and unless it was exceptional in some way it would be handled automatically. It seems unlikely that they would have actual people handling most of that stuff.
Chris
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Chris Friesen wrote:

Ok - feel free to change "clerks" to programmers, analysts, systems engineers, application specialists, systems administrators, operators, tech writers, managers, etc at HQ, regional, and district levels...
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