The market will solve this problem - in the not so long run
people will not pay premium prices for junk.
No - their executives are morons too - but the unions are the
primary problem. Do the math. Look at what the eeeeeeevil
execs have taken out of the company and then the insane payments
the unions have extorted. The exec compensation is rounding error
I don't claim the world is that binary. But markets have a funny
way of punishing stupidity and sloth. I am currently in the market
to replace my old Chevy truck. Chevy is begging for my business
with unbelievable rebates. The problem? I don't know if they
can survive long enough to support the warranty period, let along
the very long run I tend to own a vehicle. I think I am buying
a Japanese product. This is the market doing its job. Perhaps
someday, the UAW worker who is getting full wages and benefits without
having worked for years may get clued in their that their avarice
destroyed a national institution. Then again... perhaps not.
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
I worked for GM dealerships, and sold wholesale GM parts for many years. I
have owned 2 GM trucks and my 3rd truck is an 07 Toyota Tundra. I started
out with appointments to drive GMC, Chev, and Toyota. I was so disappointed
in the GM products ride quality and feel that I almost said I'll wait a few
more years. The local GMC dealer called me at home after my first visit and
offered me an "extremely" good deal on the truck I wanted and a good trade
in price on my 97 Chevy PU. IIRC $18,000 drive out. I drove the GMC
trucks again and went to the Toyota dealer and drove the Tundra. The Tundra
was $5,000 more than the GMC and I had no problem with paying the
difference. The Toyota ride and feel was that much better.
Do yourself a favor and at least test drive the Tundra.
Toyota now has the Tundra looking SUV but if you want smaller the Pathfinder
should fill the bill.
A little insight in to how the great pricing rebates work now days. Right
now production on new 08 vehicles have pretty much stopped. Incentives are
aimed at relieving dealer inventory. Even in the Spring when vehicles are
still in production the incentives will be better if you pick something off
of the dealers lot. Dealers to trade, but dealers usually do not want to
trade a vehicle that is more likely to sell for one that is less likely to
sell. Especially now with gas prices being inflated a stripped down unit
will be more desirable than a more expensive one with lots of options.
Dealerships typically do not own their vehicle inventory and pay a hefty
floor plan interest on a monthly basis to the manufacturers. I recall a 400
unit inventory of Oldsmobile's in the mid 80's typically cost the dealership
about $1.2 million per year just to have them sitting on the lot. With
today's prices that figure is probably 2 to 3 times higher, so the dealers
really want to turn their inventory rather than trade or order a new unit.
I "was" going to order my Tundra and put the order together with the dealer
but buying off the lot I got an additional $3,000 off of the already $4,000
incentive price reduction in July of last year. I would imagine most all
dealerships are offering better deals these days.
A cautionary word about American Nissan, their sales have been pretty poor
in the last few years and they have been partnered up with Renault IIRC.
Their financial situation is not great either although probably better than
the old big 3. Have you noticed how many times their flag ship car the
Maxima has been redesigned in the last 4 or 5 years?
One more hint that works well in a big city, use an online service like
kbb.com or autobytel.com to set up an appointment with a local dealership to
test drive a car. Typically the dealership will contact you with a price
that is based off of dealer invoice. This will afford you the opportunity
to buy any model on the lot without having to worry about different mark ups
on different models.
i have a 90 4runner, purchased new in 89. 160k miles. i can fit 4x8 plywood
in it flat, with about 2' hanging over the downed tailgate. i've spent
(maybe) $2k for repairs on it besides routine maintenance. it is truly a
Well, after all the fiddling around with various dealers ...
I ended up with ... another Chevy Tahoe. Why? I managed to
find what I wanted and they just *gutted* their prices to make
the deal too good to walk away. Between the employee pricing
and additional cash incentives, the dropped the price something
like $11K from sticker. I don't drive a whole lot, so the gas
prices were not a huge factor. I traded in a 13 year old Tahoe
and - to GM's credit - they've really improved the engineering.
Then again, my new car with 20 miles on *insists* that the hood
is open when it isn't ... sigh ... it's Warranty Roulette all over
What's fascinating about all this is that - having looked at most
of the major SUV options out there ... they all get more-or-less
the same mileage, regardless of whether they are mid- or full-sized
truck frames. Go figure ...
Tim Daneliuk email@example.com
BTY the hood switch is probably a plunge type switch that simply needs to be
adjusted, open the hood, locate the switch, and manually press it in while
some one else verifies if the warning goes away. If that works you can
probably very easily adjust it, if they are still using the older style
switch you simply pull it out further as the adjustment is a friction fit.
This might save you a trip back to the dealer to get rid of the annoyance.
Without a doubt on the technology. Comparing ten/twenty year old
vehicles with what is offered today is not relevant.
As an example, my '07 Tacoma, double cab, 2WD, Auto, V6, regular fuel,
which is a relevant comparison gets 19.5 around town and 22.5 on the
highway. No estimates here, I've kept nearly two years of data in a
spreadsheet, throwing out only those tanks used for towing (about 14
mpg depending on hills). So the manufacturers are using technology to
get better MPG across the board with regard to vehicle size.
As an example, I had a 1970 volkswagen beetle. As I recall it only
got 23 MPG and it was a U. S. mileage leader. Next car was a 73 Monte
Carlo with a 454. I don't want to talk about its MPG, brings back
With out a doubt fuel injection has been the big help followed by the
computer controlling everything. Computers have been on GM cars since 1980
IIRC and were used with carbureted engines, not such a good combination.
Once the carb was tossed the mileage improved dramatically. My dad's loaded
V6 Olds 98 got 32 mpg on the highway all day long. That was really pretty
darn good even by today's standards. My wife drives a loaded 2004 Accord
and gets no better with a 4 cyl engine. Smaller engines are pretty hard to
beat for in town driving but the bigger engines tend to be more efficient on
the highway when comparing the cubic inch increase to mileage decrease. I'm
only getting 10% less miles per gallon on the highway compared to your 07
Tacoma but in town your Tacoma kicks butt.
BTY I have al my gas receipts and a calculator in the truck for the specific
purpose of checking gas mileage with every tank. Are we NERDS? ;~)
Hmm. I have a /leather/ pocket protector loaded up with a five-piece
Rotring set - it matches the leather case for my nice yellow log-log
Pickett N600-ES. I suppose now I hafta go find some masking tape to put
on my s/s glasses frames. ;-)
What? I don't see any nerds...
Mine doesn't really advertise anything, it just has a "United
Technologies Hamilton-Standard" logo on it.
Flashing on conversation in the dentist's office the other day. The
lovely Doc Irina and her assistant were laughing about the guy who had
come in to fix their computer, who had his glasses held together with
masking tape. They're both Russian--I had to explain the concept of
"nerd" to them.
For a truck to use as a real truck I see no advantage whatsoever in the
Tundra. AFAIK still no diesel available(?), higher price, lower
payload, and at least here the resale value is, if not terrible, not
good (worse than Ford, even)...
Dodge is by far top farm truck locally, followed by Chevy. Ford is tops
in the oil patch fleets by a (relatively slim) margin over Chevy. Dodge
hasn't made inroads there for some reason in the fleet sales.
I've stayed w/ Chevy simply because everything we've ever had has been a
Chevy going back to the '28 I learned to drive in (and which we used
daily as a feed wagon until the late '50s) and consequently know the
dealership so thoroughly there's no reason to switch. I'm sure could
get by w/ the Tundra (the same dealership also has Toyota but they
outsell the Tundra by >10:1 w/ Chevy for work-oriented trucks according
to Pete). Their Toyota auto says are about even w/ GM products, however.
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