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Just took delivery of a General International 50-200R table saur and 17" drill press. New lathe coming in a cupla weeks.
I'm all teary-eyed. The first REAL saur I've ever owned! sniff...
And to top it off, one of the movers who delivered it wants me to do a fireplace mantle for him...
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On Sep 14, 6:01 pm, Dave Balderstone

Congratulations!! Those General people stay on top of things are are very pleasant to dealt with.
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On 9/14/2011 5:01 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

One of the best. I've often thought that if something happened to my Unisaw, a General International would be my next table saw.
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She's assembled and aligned, but I have to rewire for 115 or run a 230 line to the shop... Dang. Wanted to make that first cut tonight.
But she's a thing of beauty. Christened "Babe".
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On 9/14/2011 11:39 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

I wo0led strongly recommend going with 230.
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What are the pros and cons, Leon?
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On 9/15/11 12:34 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

Depending on your existing wiring, you may be able to switch to 230 for that circuit fairly easily (you did plan a separate circuit for the TS anyway right?). You only need two conductors plus ground, swap the outlet and the breaker, and mark the white with red marker or tape or both on both *ends* and you could be good to go.
Basically it buys you efficiency, less power loss on the circuit equals faster cleaner starts, the doubling of the voltage will also cut the current in approximately half, what is the HP of the motor and what gauge wire is there for the circuit.
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Have the breaker installed and one end of the wire in the panel. Will run the line to the shop after the dog gets walked and supper is done.
230 ii is.
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On 9/15/2011 11:34 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

Pro, Faster motor starts, Less strain on the motor during heavy cutting, less voltage drop during heavy cutting. Plenty of available energy for the motor. This all assuming you go with the 20+ amps.
Con, You will need 230 to run it, where ever you are, Initial set up more expensive.
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"Leon" wrote

your shop, you have it available for other tools. You won't be as limited in your choices for tools. Anything with any kind of serious motor will require the higher voltage. You may find a good deal from a shop shutting down or upgrading their tools.
I know that is the slippery slope argument. You open the door with one higher voltage tool and then...
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:56:52 -0400, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:

Another pro with the 240v (Please, guys!) tools is that not everyone has 240 so used tools sometimes go for cheaper prices than 120v tools.
_Just_go_with_240v_!
It cost me under $100 to wire in 3 40A circuits in my shop, including romex, 25' extension cord wire for each of 3 tools, 3 twistlock L6-20 outlets, and 3 L6-20 plugs. I had spare breakers due to removing baseboard heaters (Ick! Pffffffft!) when I went with a 96% efficient forced-air HVAC system. Gawd, what a difference in comfort!
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On 9/16/2011 12:36 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

Pffffffft!) when I went with a 96% efficient

Sounds great!
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wrote:

The old baseboard crap left stratified air in the winter:
My feet were at 55F and freezing. My knees were at 62F and cold. My butt was at 70F and jusssssssssssst right. My head was at 85F and sweating. The ceiling was hot enough to fry eggs on. (Just try it.) And the electric bill was higher than a mortgage. (If I had one.) It was the most gawdawful mess I've ever felt.

I had about a $20k difference between the sale price of the flop house in CA and the new dump in OR. I purchased all new kitchen appliances, installed a new countertop (formica, my fave), bought new washer, dryer, dual-glazed windows, house paint, and a $6k HVAC system. Poof! Broke again. :-/
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Cost me about $75 Canuck bux, but $24 of that was for the friggin' breaker!
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Wired in, and running on 240... Passes the nickel test. First cut was to rip some 4/4 cedar. Beautiful smell, lovely cut.
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Now to set up the new drill press!
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On 9/16/2011 5:02 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

You are really going to like it when you rip something hard, like oak or maple.

Oh! You are going to want to wire that for 480. ;~)
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Considering the amout of money you spend on Festool products, I'd have thought that you'd have gone for a Canadian made General, not an international made one.
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On 9/15/2011 1:13 AM, Dave wrote:

They are the same company, or used to be, and their 650, the table saw I would buy, is indeed Canadian made.
And yes, I do know the difference with the "international" part and should have left it out ... my fingers are faster than my mind these days :)
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The people at General are VERY fussy about what is shipped from Asia. A lot of stuff available to them from Chaiwan simply won't do. Contrary to popular belief, I think you'll agree, the Taiwanese, for example, DO know how to make good stuff, you just have to stay on top of them to make sure they do... sortakinda like Detroit. All kinds of sjit came out of Detroit for the longest time, till Ford figured out that it wasn't working for them. I gave a friend's new Taurus the once- over and the Germans better start paying attention as it was clear that the short relationship with Volvo reaped Ford a lot of benefit. Doors that go 'click' instead of 'boing' 5 star collision ratings, not a hint of orange peel in the paint job, and an interior that just felt right. Nice work.
That 650 is a SAW! Hell, that thing passes the nickel test while the saw is in the truck during shipment! <G>
They also make a pretty nice router. (Typical for them, they opted for the Italian Elte spindle, 220v 3ø when they could have bought Chaiwanese versions for half the price...just didn't measure up.)
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That's the saw I'll buy the same day I find an accessible workshop to rent or share. Only my 650 will be the 'Access' version which is shortened for height.
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