New To WW - What Is With All The Norm Bashing?

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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:57:12 -0700, "Dennis M. O'Connor"

This is TV. You can stop the camera and wait for the glue to set.
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Have you ever checked out production costs?
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:56:49 GMT, "David Babcock"

David Marks doesn't seem to have a problem doing it, does he?
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:48:35 GMT, Brian Henderson

2 points, Bri.
P.S: And Marks is on DIY with prolly 10% of Morash' budget and (AFAIK) no donated tools.
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Larry Jaques responds:

Don't bet on that. Tools and materials are almost certainly provided...remember Norm when he first cranked up.
IIRC, it was Bob Vila who got hassled out of PBS for doing exactly the kind of commericalization they're doing now (and were doing more quietly then, which is probably what pissed them off...he was getting the biggest share).
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Charlie ...
<<IIRC, it was Bob Vila who got hassled out of PBS for doing exactly the kind of commericalization they're doing now (and were doing more quietly then, which is probably what pissed them off...he was getting the biggest share).>>
The conflict that resulted in Vila's ouster was simply that the sponsor of his personal endorsement deal (Rickel) was a competetor of an underwriter of TOH (Home Depot) on a considerable number of local affiliates, particularly in the South. The Depot squawked. But your point is entirely correct: there is virtually no difference between flat-out commercialism and the kinds of financial arrangements PBS makes (and has always made) with its commercial benefactors.
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On 11 Dec 2003 17:59:30 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnotforme (Charlie Self) wrote:

Nope, David Marks did a show on his workshop and detailed where he personally bought EVERY TOOL IN IT. He has absolutely *ZERO* donated tools.

Oh sure, Bob Vila sucks, we know that, but just because you can point to one guy who is worse doesn't make it acceptable that someone else isn't quite as bad.
Bob certainly doesn't deserve to be on NYW or any other show as far as I'm concerned.
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Brian Henderson wrote:

As long as you don't mind paying cameramen, grips, lighting people, sound people, producers, etc, etc to stand around waiting for glue to dry. Time is money, especially in TV production.
...Mike
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I didn't realize weekend furniture makers were on TV. Contrary to what the Dish Network PVR ads might lead you to believe, you can't skip-ahead or rewind in real life.
Other people have commented on how uneconomic it is to have a TV crew just "wait for the glue to set".
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:48:34 -0700, "Dennis M. O'Connor"

There aren't any deadlines either.

And I pointed out that David Marks does it all the time.
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:57:12 -0700, Dennis M. O'Connor

I've worked in RF Emissions Complience testing. An all-weather RF emissions site--that "FCC Class B Computing Device" sticker on the back of your computer--will have a metal ground plane with nothing metal above the plane, excluding the EUT and the antenna.
Interesting is how many nylon bolts you need to replace the 16d nails of conventional framing. Thousands of holes to be drilled. I'm guessing that it was prefabbed offsite, then the siding and roof were glued on.
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:26:33 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@pentek.com (Charles Krug) wrote:

Round these parts, "conventional" framing uses oak treenails and no iron at all, same as it has for centuries.
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Not so much bad as out of touch with the common man, maybe.
I used to watch Norm and Roy after Saturday morning cartoons, back in the mid to late '80s. Roy made beautiful, complicated stuff with practically nothing, and Norm had a specialized doodad to mechanize almost everything.
From what I hear, Norm has a lot more specialized doodads now than he did back then.
I don't watch either of them, or any other TV for that matter, but I think I'd still prefer Roy's show to Norm's. I'm *not* a Neander. I'm a Cro-Magnon maybe. I do some Neander stuff, and some Normish stuff. I have no desire to buy a planer and jointer, and no desire to buy a whole collection of good hand saws or a brace and bit.
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Mike, Sounds like my Saturday mornings.
The point I liked was, with the two shows back-to-back {or even just 'available'} you got a 'balance' of technique.
It's nice to have a shop full of tools, but what happens if you have no power - the power tool is broken - or you are 'out in the field' ? {Or on the boat or 'on the hook'?}
I'm 'collecting' some of the power stuff that Norm illustrates, and used any number of Roy's techniques.
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Ron Magen wrote:
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The same thing that happens if you have only hand tools and the hand tool is broken.
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How many hand tool devotees do you know who only have one of anything?
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So, Andy just how many J.Kellogg 5/8" cove planes do you keep handy??
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BJS wrote:

Nothing...some people are just snobs! ;)
But seriously...everybody approaches woodworking differently, with differnt goals. The furniture Norm produces is solid and usable...but is not of the exceptionally high quality that you see from David Marks. And of course, there's the polyurethane thing. Norm puts it on just about everything...so people who don't like poly bash him for that.
Personally, my skills will probably never match Norms. With the exception of leaving visible brad-nail heads everywhere, I strive to (someday) be as good as Norm. I, too, was inspired by Norm. He makes it all look very easy...if only we had all those tools!
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Well JOAT and Roy and others have said it well. I have nothing more to add so I will add it. Most of us have some power tools and some hand tools. If power tools predominate you are a Normite. If hand tools, you are a Neanderthal (or simply Neander). The patron saints of these groups are Norm Abram and Roy Underhill.
[shameless shill mode on]Go to www.blackbirdie.com and move down through the pages. Page 1, panels 1 and 2 are caricatures of my granddaughters. Go to page 5 for one of Norm and Roy. Good stuff. Wish I had the talent that my daughter does. [shill mode off].
As long as you have fun with it, maybe make a buck or two, and keep those twelve talented fingers fingers intact, go for it.     mahalo,     jo4hn
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She's pretty good!
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