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I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer.
Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.
I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small shop to not have to have a dust collection system
Any thoughts?
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My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.
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:>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer. :> :>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as :>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by :>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.:> :> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small :> shop to not have to have a dust collection system:> :> Any thoughts?: : My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a : small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway.
Hi Doug,
I have a small shop and no DC unit.
What was your second thought?
;^)
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:>:>I see, in the latest FWW, a review of the new DeWalt 12" planer. :>:> :>:>Says that you don't need a dust removal system with this machine, as :>:>it has it's pown "chip extraction" mechanics. all you need to do is by :>:>the $45 hose and cloth cover and place the cover over a trash can.:>:> :>:> I wonder how well that works. It sure would be a boon to the small :>:> shop to not have to have a dust collection system:>:> :>:> Any thoughts? :>: :>: My first thought is that this should not be a consideration, because even a :>: small shop should have a dust collection system of some sort anyway. :> :> Hi Doug,:> :> I have a small shop and no DC unit.:> :> What was your second thought?:> : That you should get a dust collector. :-)
But..I'm a Neader!
HAHHAA well to tell the truth, I've been considering buying a 12" planer. And so, I figured I'd have to by a DC unit at the same time.
But I figured that if the 735 chip collection worked ok, then I might consider that product since it woud save me the price of the DC unit. But I needed to know if it really worked, and I hadn't considered that the dust gets through the cloth.
THAT is why I asked the question ;^)
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In another thread, here or in someother ww forum, there has been much discussion regarding various filters & bags for DC systems as well as air filter systems. Seems no matter what you are using or how much $$ you invest in keeping the dust down in your shop, _some_ will escape capture. Simplest solution suggested was to install your collector, bags, filters and/or trashcan outside. Would free-up a little floor space and keep the dust and DC noise outside. Just build a little lean-to shelter around the DC system.
As yet, I have neither the time, $$ or inclination to do so. The chip fan/cloth cover on a trash can does a great job taking much of the load off my current Mark-I sawdust/chip collection system...the age old broom and dust pan. After all, I have a simple woodworking shop (hobbiest-class) NOT a NASA clean room. For those who can afford all the tools and toys a well run shop _should_ have, good for you. However, there are still those of us who, for what ever reasons, must get by with less than the biggest & best. I am, so far, thrilled with my DW735. The fact that it has the chip ejector fan was icing on the cake and a major reason I chose the 735.
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Hey Dex, I assume AZ stands for Arizona. It's been a pretty nippy winter up here in the Northeast. The shop could get cold fast at 600cfm.....

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You are correct, SIR. Apache Junction (extreme east suburb 35 miles from Phoenix) I had not thought of how that would impact your heating/my cooling. But now that you mention it, one more little breeze in the shop in July or August would certainly be welcome. The ceiling fan in garage/shop is fairly useless when it is +112 outside.
Current temp showing as 84 degrees F, but the sensor is in the sunshine right now, 67F is probably closer to actual. Mid 80s yesterday. Several storms forecast for next week or so, spaced about 48 hours apart. Maybe we'll get some rain? AJ has avg. annual rainfall of about 8.5 inches (yes, all year) Last few years we've fallen way short of that. (have not shoveled snow since we moved from Minn. in '96) Red grapefruit, lemons & navel oranges now ripe on trees in backyard. Many trees beginning to leaf out and blossom. Citrus trees to bloom soon. Must make REAL sure where that seatbelt buckle is _before_ you get into the car in summer. Nasty burns otherwise.
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Hey Dex I had a thought for a filter system. I mention this to you because being in AJ you should understand what a swamp cooler is. Anywho take a swamp cooler and face it out of the shop. Replace the cooler pads with furnace filters and whamo a airborne dust filter for less than $100 what do you think ?
Puff "Started in KY moved to AZ then moved back to KY" Griffis

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Puff Griffis wrote:

AJ you should understand what a swamp cooler is. Anywho take a swamp cooler and face it out of the shop. Replace the cooler pads with furnace filters and whamo a airborne dust filter for less than $100 what do you think ?

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Good point. I was mixing my two ideas. Facing out of the shop would of course not need filters. My second idea was for using as a hanger within the shop so the filters would be needed. Puff

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I cobbled up my own cloth cover and tied it onto a trash can. Connected it to the 13" DW735 by using a couple of ShopVac wands and 90 degree elbows. Works great! 100% of the chips make it to the can, 5% find their way out of leaks in the cloth. I only had so much duct tape. Sorry Red Green! Some day I'll fire up the sewing machine and stitch up a trash can cover that is more leak-proof. For now, this works. Getting back to your questions, the chip ejector is very powerful. As you suggest, it is ideal for those of us w/o DC systems. So powerful that with nothing connected to the 735, I can blow chips down the driveway and into the street. Folks driving by seemed quite impressed! I'm not real good reading lips but I think they were saying, "What in the #@!! is that *&^* fool doing now?" (mulching the driveway with oak, cherry and maple...)
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Gregg, I've watched a 735 run with the chip ejection system without a DC. It's kinda messy, because the cannister will have positive pressure from the blower in the 735. It gets the big stuff, but will disperse wood dust throughout your shop.
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the wood dust will be dispersed either way, might as well catch the 'big stuff'. . .<s>
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I beg to differ. I've seen it in action; it's messy. Using a DC contains the dust within the chip ejection ducting. Of course there is always going to be dust and a few chips coming out of the ends of the planer. Ever seen a 735 running?
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Beg to differ about what. . .? Yes I have seen one running, mine. And I agree it is messy.. But you missed my point. You pointed out the inadequacies of the cloth cover as "It gets the big stuff, but will disperse wood dust throughout your shop." I merely pointed out that the dust will be dispersed even without the cloth cover so might as well use it an at least catch the big stuff and not disperse those throughout the workshop.
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I think we are on a different wavelength on this thread! :) What I was getting at was that unless you use a true DC, relying on the chip ejection feature is messy. Would you agree with that statement?
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I don't think I'd ever want to be w/o dust collection. Too much to deal with if you don't and if you have any heat in a small shop, or water tank nearby, a LOT of dust is not exactly a good thing either.
I've got a small shop, perhaps 10" wide and maybe 16' long now, it was half that before my addition. Still, I have a Dust Boy in the corner and drag a hose to things as needed since I haven't put in fixed pipe yet. And it does a great job with the 6"--4" which starts out with a lot of CFM so I don't lose that much at the machines. I've got an old Delta planer that throws a LOT of chips and this thing will grab most.
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