There's this twonk on ebay who sells nothing but electronic vernier
calipers. He starts the bidding at .01 with no reserve and you may be
tempted to bid - until you note that his p&p is £10! - this for an item
which may weigh 3 or 4 oz soaking wet. This suggests that the item
isn't worth more than a fiver to begin with. So (and he may be
counting on this) if you don't read carefully you may bid over ,01 for
the item and end up paying even MORE.
Have to admire his chutzpah
Truth is, YES most of them are monkeys... And secondly, all the handling and
stuff is part of your normal markup and cost of doing business...
When I get a request for quote to a customer, it cost me time and money to
prepare it, and nothing tells me I will get the job, and there is raerely a
cost associated to the potential customer for it.. However that time/money
and effort is calculated into my price, and not added as a handling/quoting
They choose to be an online business, they know they will need to factor in
the labor fees for the people/materials to prepare/pack and ship the
items... However as someone said before, they try to make it look like they
are giving you a sweet deal, and then they nail you on the handling fees
(which is thier real profit/markup), which they could have easily put in the
price, but that would make them look uncompetitive to the search engines..
But I agree, that buying stuff, an not checking what the TOTAL cost you will
be paying, is outright ridiculous... Everything plays a roll in your final
price.. Shipping, handling, taxes, and any duties/brokerage if it is an
international order like for canadians... I rarely continue an online
checkout if I can't get a shipping/handling charge amount before I enter my
personal info. There is too much competition out there to bother dealing
with the ridicuous systems out there...
For large orders, I will frequently place orders online from the
neighbouring province, sincely because I can save an extra 7% provincial
tax, which they don't have to charge me...And for orders accross the border,
I will frequently insist on USPS instead of UPs, simply because UPS insists
on charging some criminal brokerage fees, which Fedex and USPS include in
thier shipping fees. Even my ISP is in a different province, and it saves
me an extra $5/month... hey why not save it, if it is not causing me any
inconvenience to do so.
It depends .. some companies (LV comes to mind ;-) ) charge either a
flat rate, or an incremental rate based on order total rather than by
Others I've seen (and don't remember off the top of my head) will allow
you to get to the shipping rates prior to entering any *financial*
information -- which is how I interpreted the OP's post (yeah, I know,
not *exactly* what the OP said ...)
Regardless, I won't do business with anyone I have to give information
to, to find s/h data (other than at most, zip code) ... It's just not
Personally, I generally don't use mail/web/phone orders to get a "deal"
-- usually, by the time you factor in the s/h, any savings are lost.
The real benefit to me for m/w/p is better selection. LV doesn't have a
store in PDX, so I'm happy to do business with them - and I've used all
three modes. I've done other business with, eg, Amazon, because they had
something I couldn't find locally either at all, or easily enough.
But I won't do business with companies that make finding s/h a chore.
Let's face it. The ONLY info required to get a quote for the TOTAL
price of anything should be a zip code. (Your name and address is
hardly likely to influence the price, is it.) BUT once you enter even
some basic personal info the seller can add it to his growing list of
names which he can onsell to some oter enterprise and THAT, children,
is why you get half a forest of junk crap dropped through your mailbox
Zip code is all that is required. If you look at the rate charts that UPS,
FedEx and others distribute for web type shopping carts, all they require is
If you really need to use a particular vendor that pulls this crap, just put
in bogus info and make sure the zip is correct.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
You certainly got an online or emailed receipt for the total. If they later
billed you for an amount different from the receipt, you have grounds for a
refund. Attorneys general get really itchy about fraud.
This may be true for some items, but the one
that I have been keeping an eye on (Bessey
24/40 clamp set) has actually come down in price
about $10. (Was $140 now $130). Of course,
it was $130 up until about 6 months ago.
Still offering free shipping on it too.
Now, when I get some kind of coupon or $off
deal to go with it, I may "pull the trigger".
Last (and only) time I got it for $99!!
I just got a flyer with an order from Lee Valley. They give notification
that Bessey is going to have a national promotion in October, but they
cannot quote prices yet. So watch for announcements from all the Rocklers,
Woodcrafts, Amazons, etc.
Man do I feel left out of this thread... maybe I have been self
employed too damn long, responsible for myself and my business.
The cost of goods in the consumer's eyes should be the cost to the
door. Taxes, shipping, handling, notifications, shipping method, and
anything else that I ALWAYS ask for is revealed when questioned. That
is being responsible with your money. It is >your< responsibility to
be careful, prudent, and wise with your money. Period.
Amazon is not doing anything you couldn't eventually figure out... I
mean you did, right? Was it because it was there in front of you?
If you don't like the answers, if you don't like the method of
presentation, or if you don't like the way you are treated, why in the
hell would you buy from one of these companies
and their affiliates?
Life is too short. Complaining will do absolutely nothing. Move on.
Next vendor, please.
Uh... I think you miss the point. I know these conversations will certainly
have a bearing on where I buy my next tool. Complaining to the company will do
no good. Complaining to the newsgroup will help *someone*. Hopefully before
they get screwed.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:23:26 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
Looks like you are both saying the same thing. The difference is that by
perhaps alerting some people who might not have looked so closely, or who
had not been tracking prices previously, the OP is actually helping send a
message to the vendor by amplifying a single voice to a broader audience of
potential buyers. I went back and checked my records, my last purchase
from Amazon or Tool Crib of the Amazon was in April, 2003. I really
haven't found prices to be all that much better than other on-line,
dedicated woodworking sources like Woodworkers Supply or Lee Valley or
others. While I understand that shipping prices are going to rise, trying
to hide those changes is not really very up-front with customers.
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
They are deceptive in other ways. If you sell a book through them they
charge the customer ~$3.50 for shipping, but only pass along ~$2.60 to
you to cover shipping costs. This is in addition to their listing fee and
percentage of the sale. Unless you have sold through them And bought from
private sellers through them, this 'fee' is completely hidden. I
complained about this to them and did get a response, but it was of the
humma, humma variety.
I wonder if this is part of the plan to get everyone purchase Amazon
Prime memberships. Not only are tools taking longer to ship, so are
books. I just placed an order for books with free shipping, and it
will take 3 weeks for them to arrive.
Step 1) Offer Amazon Prime
Step 2) Delay Shipping
*) Remove rebates
*) Increase prices
and that's a sure way to increase profits.
This increase in tool prices aren't done in a vacuum. The current
Amazon policy is that if you find a brick & mortar store or catalog
with a lower price, they will match it plus 10%.
(i.e. this does not apply to a web site).
I'm wondering if they are beefing up their quarter's profits, so
'round Christmas time, they can drop prices again.
I was surprised that those books I ordered weren't as low cost as they
used to be.
I ordered 3 PB books w/$7 list price, and they only knocked the price
done a total of $1.40 off list.
Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account incurs a fee of
$500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract.
Well, at least one item I just checked (Performax 16/32) is suddenly NOT
eligible for Prime. It was before its price increased. I wonder what other
products are no longer eligible for free shipping of any sort.
I joined Prime when it was first offered. At the time, I thought it made sense
for me, given my purchase history and the stuff I was thinking about buying. It
has certainly paid for itself by now (I've bought a lot of books, and some
cookware, and taken good advantage of the free 2-day shipping), so if I can't
use it for the rest of the year, I won't be terribly upset. But I won't renew
my membership if the power tools on my wish list remain ineligible.
rebate was announced by WMH, Amazon has been playing games with the
price and shipping cost of the 16-32. I'll probably buy it before the
rebate expires, however I wont buy from Amazon. Better deal here:
And the only shipping charge is $3.99 for insurance.
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