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On 5/26/2016 5:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

Only if you've confused the syntax difference between my "monster cable BS", versus your "monster cable _is_ BS".
The argument about how Monster cable _sounds_ is arguably the BS part ... just like with the Strad. In that regard, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as it always is.
And your confusion leaves out the unarguable fact that Monster cable is (or has been) a well made product with redeeming qualities other than it's individually, and subjectively perceived _sound_.
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Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch. Monster speaker cables are a pia, the inner core (plastic fibers) make it a real pain to strip and tin.
The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
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On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:

IMHO Monster cables are probably 10 times more than you need for any equipment sold to 98% of the people.
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On 5/26/2016 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:

Just like one of those old, expensive violins ... ;)
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On 5/26/2016 10:48 AM, Swingman wrote:

I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
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On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:

I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one listening session in the studio environment to determine that the expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable", which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with the best ones I've owned.
In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool, or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he wants/needs/uses it for.
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On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:

...snip...

Monster is currently Out Of Stock on it's Festool colored cable. I wonder if Leon bought it all up.
https://www.monsterproducts.com/CI_Pro_14-4CAT5E_Bulk_Cable
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On 5/26/2016 12:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Ohhhhhh!
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On 5/26/2016 12:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Maybe ... IIRC, we had the choice of a cap, a battery, or a green Monster cable when we went to the Festool rodeo a couple of weeks back. lol
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Can I borrow it? I'd like to put it out in shallow left field so I can hit it over the green monster cable.
Ok, not my best... Moving on.
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WOO HOO!!!
I have a monster cable with a green identifier ring, me gots the best of both worlds! ;)
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On 5/26/2016 11:37 AM, Swingman wrote:

Not trying to argue with you here but in most all cases the cable, Monster or otherwise, are a link between units. Now if you are simply saying that the Monster instrument cable is better, quality wise, than what you can find anywhere else, I totally understand and would have to agree.
My issue with what I used to see was that Monster cables speaker wire were simply wiring with insulation. It had no ends other than stripped away insulation. As I recall the cable inside the insulation appeared to be 1/4" thick. As it exited and was bare wire, but soldered on the end, it looked like 14 gauge wire. I thought smoke and mirrors. No doubt it was better than regular home stereo speaker wire but I seriously doubt any better for the price than lamp cord, which was probably 8~10 times heavier than speaker wire.
Waaaaaay back when I had 4 relative large home speakers. Each had 12 woofers, mid-range and tweeters and for years I was using regular speaker wire to power them from a Techniques 85 watt per channel RMS receiver. That was in the mid 70's to early 90's and it sounded great. FF to mid 90's and I up graded my receiver to the Yamaha and more watts RMS to the same wires and speakers. It also sounded great.
BUT then I decided to try out the heaver gauge lamp cord speaker wiring and WOW that made a heck of a difference. Higher and more crisp highs for sure.
As far as the bare ended Monster speaker wires go I think you are paying 90% for appearance and maybe 10% improved performance over standard speaker wire.

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On 5/26/2016 12:37 PM, Leon wrote:

That's exactly what I been saying, over and over, cher! ;)
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On 5/26/2016 1:17 PM, Swingman wrote:

I'm not preaching, just agreeing. ;!)
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On 5/26/2016 12:37 PM, Leon wrote:

FIFY ...
As a commercial recording studio owner/recording engineer for over 20 years, with hundreds of albums/recording projects under his belt (and yes, that is indeed "hundreds") you're preaching straight at the choir. ;)
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wrote:

As I recall on Monster speaker wires, they also have a higher strand count than lamp cord, and about the same overall copper diameter than 16 gauge cord.
For me seeing the different colored wire through the clear HD but flexible insulation was worth it for the speaker wire. The only problem they haven't found a fix for is to puppy proof the wiring.

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 14:01:54 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Fifteen or so responses to this thread, and nary a mention of the subject. Are we using Monster cables to haul up those logs?
I feel for the poor newbie who tries to figure out what the two have in common.
See my followup.
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On Thu, 26 May 2016 22:50:00 +0000, Larry Blanchard wrote:

And here it is.
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On 5/26/2016 5:50 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:

That perceived value is impossible to determine, even if only one sale sets the classic definition of market value, except that the market is constantly in flux due to opinion, false positives, negative negatives, positive positives, vice versas, verse vice, resulting in what it's worth today, may not be that tomorrow, subject to seasonal adjustments, tide tables. climate change, and whatever tomorrow may bring ... to the extent allowed by law.
Now, see how easy that was ...
Count your blessing, we haven't even gotten to the electrical part of the thread yet ...
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On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 8:11:28 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:

...snip...

I'm shocked that you even brought that up.
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