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I was not speaking of visual art at all, other than tongue in cheek. I was speaking specifically to the art of building fine violins, guitars, cellos and such, although it applies to art in spades.

Unfortunately, for those choosing to spend their Texas oil money on a $45 MILLION Strad, they would be better off choosing a modern, high end piece that costs far, far, far less because in double blind tests, top players on earth discovered they liked the newer ones more for both sound and playability.

Fortunately, they would be paying for hyperbole and rarity more than anything, and that does have a price, and in this case a huge one, just like much fine art. In the case of the Strad, I'm sticking with hyperbolec acid, first because it's true, and more than that, I made the term up, and I'm sticking with it, I think it's a winner...

Someone in the biz said the reason no one has been able to find out exactly what it is that makes the Strad sound so awesome, varnish, water soaked, piss in varnish (made that one up) is because nothing does, they don't sound or play any better than any other top of the line piece, even if made a few days ago. So far, tests have proven this to be true, and actually a bit the opposite, they sound and play a bit worse.

An interesting insight I recall reading, people tend to think the Strad, if sounding a little less than anticipated, it's the players fault as he is not up to the task. Can't be the Strad, must be me.

Same situation with a comparable top end piece, and it is "what do you expect, it's not like it's a Strad"

I think this syndrome might come into play a bit with power tools, but damn, sure don't want to get anyone's panty's in bunch...

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Jack
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Rumors are mostly a projection of the individual who started them. They are like the leaves in fall, an attention-getting brief entrance but they are destined to rot on the ground.

Always remember... rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots. Those who feed on rumors are small, suspicious simpletons.

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Dallas Alice

I made the

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Swingman

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

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krw

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference. Not an audible difference though!

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Markem

Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there is no difference.

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krw

I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.

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Leon

They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much cause I knew enough.

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Markem

And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.

But back to the Stradivarius, someone did a high power look at the wood, a lot of the binding resins seems to have been removed. The wood also used had grown during the Monder minimum. Treatment by soaking the tight grain of the wood are thought to be part of the secret, the varnish that hardens but not really that is a mystery.

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Markem

Most likely then the result of more sophisticated measuring equipment. The cool thing is a lot of folks will swear there is a big difference, just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad vs a modern, super high end violin.

On the other hand, it is easy to determine the difference between quality and junk, at least in most things. A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin is not difficult to asses, even in the dark:-) I own some HF clamps, and they were worth every penny...

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Jack

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Please don't mention "clamps" and "asses" in the same sentence.

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DerbyDad03

LOL

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John Grossbohlin

I bought a 25' RCA cable at cablewholesale.com in 2006 for 11.44. The cable has super nice heavy, flexable insulation, and is overall an excellent cable. A 4' monster would cost like $30. Interesting, my cable costs less today than when I bought it 10 years ago. I've bought a number of cables, including HDMI cables there, and all have been good quality at super prices.

cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10r2-02125.php

I think they discovered the secret is they sound about the same as any top quality violin. Just like some people listening to a monster cable think the sound is better when it isn't. Proving something happened as a result of a false premise can be difficult, even though a lot of so called "scientists" make a good living at it, and our educational system is polluted with their efforts.

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Jack

Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.

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Swingman

I can attest to the nonsense that is Bose.

The only time Bose sold a fair product was when Fry's (electronics chain store) usta sell the 101 spkr fer $40 ea. Then Bose got greedy and made Fry's raise the price to the MSRP of $120. Heck, one rock star (iggy pop?) even warned against listening to his latest album release ona Bose sytem.

Insanely overpriced junk.

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notbob

I never heard a difference, but it's not always all about sound.

I made a good living for a long time with a set of well trained ears, some said "Golden", and despite the obvious quality of the connectors, and the shielding and grounding, which did cut back somewhat on RF/EM interference/hum, especially with instrument cables plugged into amps, I could never hear any difference in sound with Monster cable that they, and others claim.

... and they were way too expensive for the amount of cabling we needed in the recording studio.

That said, I have one of the first Monster instrument (Bass) cables that, although it doesn't sound any better, has stood up better to rigorous road than most other instrument cables I've owned the past 50 years.

And there has been noticeably less of a problem with RF/EM hum than with cheaper cables, always a problem on stage.

Add the better build quality, the better shielding from RF/EM, and a lifetime warranty, and I don't regret the premium $20 I paid it for over ten years ago.

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Swingman

Have you ever dealt with Monoprice?

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I have dealt with them exclusively for cables, not for anything else listed on their home page. However, while grabbing their URL today I noticed that they have done a *major* redesign of their website. It used to be not much more than a on-line catalog and you kind of needed to know what you were looking for to find it.

Now I see speakers, musical instruments, etc. I hope this isn't an indication of a change in philosophy, which used be (IMO) quality cables at great prices.

I looked up the cable you linked to and their equivalent (?) cable is priced at $7.33, but I did not look at shipping costs. Theirs is 22AWG vs.

26AWG.

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DerbyDad03

Sure, I use 16Ga "zip" cord for speaker cables, too. The point is that *power* cables don't affect sound quality and $60 HDMI cables don't work any better than $2 ones. Either they work or they don't.

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krw

No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.

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krw

Testify!

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notbob

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