Local vs. Oneida metal ducting

I've ordered an Oneida DC system, and will be getting their ductwork plan in a few days. Question: has anyone bought one, and done a price comparison of their metal ducting vs. a local supplier? If so, how much did you save by going locally?
Thanks,
Andy Barss
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Hi Andy, You can save money by buying locally in most cases particularly if you count your time as worth nothing. However, their pieces fit together with minimum fuss and certain components like their " wyes" are difficult to find. When I got my system it became apparent to me that none of the local tin bashers understood things like "losses" due to poor design. IMHO if I were buying a lot of duct, etc. I would look locally for the more common pieces. For a few pieces I would not bother. JG
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I just went through the same thing. I installed a Oneida 2hp commercial system and had them design the ductwork. The quote they sent was more expensive than I expected, but the only thing that I could find locally was the pipe (6 and 7" snap lock) and that is the cheapest part of the whole system. The long radius 90s and shallow angle wyes would have to be purchased from them or a similar place anyway. I ended up buying everything from Oneida and did not have to make any hardware store runs. The design was pretty good with minimal left overs. I ended up spending just over 1K on the ductwork for a 24 x24 shop with 5 machines. all the pipe is 6 or 7" to the machine and reduced to 5 at the machine if needed. I am pretty pleased with whole setup, and feel like i did the right thing in regards to my and my sons health. Keith
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An expanded question regarding Oneida . . .?
I've have been using a conventional dust collector (Delta 1.5hp, 1100cfm system) for several years. I am starting to build a new shop however, and am seriously considering replacing the Delta with an Oneida system - probably the 2hp commercial system. For those of you who have upgraded similarly, is there a noticeable improvement in the systems? Did you find the upgrade worth the investment and time required?
Rick
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Rick Stein wrote:

Huge difference in capacity. The 1.5 Delta was ok but limited in it's capability for entire shop dust collection especially with the lengths of flexible duct I had to run using the Delta. The Oneida is much easier to dump, clean, and with the cartridge filter, allows less dust back into the air. It's real important to check the 55 gallon drum a lot more often than you'd think especially when using the planer (it's a real pain to clean the cartridge filter after inadvertently over filling the drum.....DAMHIKT^3)
I have a small one man commercial shop and I felt it was worth the $4K investment (2hp commercial plus all the ductwork to 8 machines, 2 floor sweeps plus room to add on). If I ever hire anybody to help in the shop I know the system is suffiently big enough to allow two machines to be run and dust collected at the same time.
The ducting was as much or more than the collector. The upgrade should include the proper ductwork if you don't already have it. I almost didn't get the system because of the initial sticker shock from Oneida. I wasn't expecting to have to go to the 2 hp system (which is nealy twice that of the 1.5 hp) and didn't consider all of the fittings needed to do what I wanted to do.
Having Oneida design the ductwork made the process of installation soooo much easier. I managed to do it myself but wouldn't recommend doing that. An extra set of hands would have taken off 2/3 of the time I spent trying to hold, measure and screw together the stuff!
Gary
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:41:09 -0700, Rick Stein wrote

I recently upgraded to a woodsucker 2hp unit and really like the boost in airflow. Before I had just dragged a hose around to each machine as I used it, now I am installing ducting. Currently I have a run of metal 6" ducting up to my ceiling (9 feet) and 25' of flex hose hanging off of that until I can finish my layout plan and get some 6" PVC. Woodsucker and Oneida are close in price when you figure in the included parts. I like the woodsuckers filter idea of using a canister filter with dusty air flowing from outside in, versus inside out like many others. Another bonus was Woodsucker saved me some shipping since they are closer (still $116 of UPS)
Check out the woodsucker site, good information and compaisons.
-Bruce
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:56:32 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss

Andy,
    I did the comparison last year. Buying locally was significantly cheaper. Since you are in Tucson, try Metal Manufacturing Co at 4795 Julian Ave. 748-1117.
Some example prices from them: 10' 4" Spiral metal pipe    $10.13 10' 5" Spiral metal pipe    $ 9.16 5" 5" 5" Lateral Y    $16.22
At the time, Oneida and Penn State were $16.70 and $13.50, respectively for the pipe. Similar Y's were $22.80 and $49.50. Those prices were before factoring in shipping.
The only caveat to go with the above: If you use Metal Mfg Co, order everything you need all at once. They make the parts to order and if you go back later for one or two parts at a time, the price goes *way* up; I made an "engineering change" during assembly that resulted in the need for a couple more elbows. I can't find the receipt, but for just a handful of addtional parts, the cost was almost 1/4 of the cost of the majority of the system.
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: Andy,
:     I did the comparison last year. Buying locally was significantly : cheaper. Since you are in Tucson, try Metal Manufacturing Co at 4795 : Julian Ave. 748-1117.
: Some example prices from them: : 10' 4" Spiral metal pipe    $10.13 : 10' 5" Spiral metal pipe    $ 9.16 : 5" 5" 5" Lateral Y    $16.22
: At the time, Oneida and Penn State were $16.70 and $13.50, respectively : for the pipe. Similar Y's were $22.80 and $49.50. Those prices were : before factoring in shipping.
: The only caveat to go with the above: If you use Metal Mfg Co, order : everything you need all at once. They make the parts to order and if you : go back later for one or two parts at a time, the price goes *way* up; I : made an "engineering change" during assembly that resulted in the need for : a couple more elbows. I can't find the receipt, but for just a handful of : addtional parts, the cost was almost 1/4 of the cost of the majority of the : system.
Thanks for the tip --
Andy
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Just make sure you are going with 22 or 24 ga., and not the 30 ga. stuff. An Oneida will collapse it like a burst balloon.
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