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Guess who wrote:

Like the OT crap you just posted?
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Charles Self wrote: <SNIP>

It's not a practical option. Any nuclear detonation in the Middle East will cause radioactive particles to encircle the globle courtesy of the jet stream. A far better option is to send Iran our "best and brightest" like Babs Streisand, Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, George Clooney, Tim Robbins, etc. With their deep understanding of geopolitcs and their "help", we'd have Iran begging for mercy (the extraction of those aforementioned bozos) and willing to do our ever bidding.

Hee, hee - I was just teasin' Charlie - I often don't agree with her either. I do not, however, think she is "vile". You may not like her ideas, but at least she hasn't, say, gotten drunk, dunked her car into a river, killed her fellow passenger, and then lied about it all. *That* is vile.
Ann is also right about some things now and then. But mostly, she is entertaining. I love to watch the Rightwingers wince and the Lefties shriek when she says something especially provocative. It's mighty entertaining to see someone treat politics for the complete sham that it is.
BTW, I cannot abide Howard Stern. He is provocative without a shred of entertainment value nor any demonstration of IQ above shoe size. I'm quite happy for him to be on sat radio so I can never again accidentally come across his puerile droolings on radio or TV...
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Let's get back to talking Woodworking and stop this crap. Go to another newsgroup if you want to talk politics.

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Dave wrote:

1) This group has wandered Off Topic for many years.
2) You are not the group's Den Mother so quit handing out advice. Do you moderate conversations with your friends when you're all sitting around the coffee shop?
3) Learn to use filters.
4) Whoever started this thread did so *on* topic and then the thread drifted *off* topic. When this happend, the subject should have been changed to note this fact and it was not. This was a Bad Thing. I have now fixed it in this subthread.
5) Relax and have a lovely week...
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One action, or series of actions, by one person, something over 30 years ago, and that seems to be all many people can think of. Coulter IS vile. She would murder if she thought she could get away with, and she incites others to do so.

Political commentators need to be entertaining, but when their entertainment is primarily shock value from moronic and dangerous attitudes, then they are vile.

Can you believe he got half a billion bucks? For what? I really don't need anyone to teach me how to cuss, and that seems to be all he does. He's not even talented at it.
By the way, you're wrong about his IQ, unless he wears a terribly small shoe. He has the IQ of a Pet Rock or a Pet Rock buyer.
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:12:26 GMT, "Charles Self"

Then I'm sure you feel the same way about political "commentators" like Michael Moore and Al Franken?

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Actually, I don't much like them, but I don't recall them delighting in the concept of nuking another country, so, no, they're not vile, at least not in the same sense as Ms Coulter.
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Charles Self wrote:

However good or bad Coulter's ideas are (and she's expressed both kinds) there are just *ideas*. What happened "over 30 years ago" *killed* another person. There's a huge difference, morally and qualitatively, between good/bad ideation and manslaughter.
You're also not giving Coulter her due when she's right. She's said for a very long time that McCarthy - however big a jerk he was - was correct about the degree of Communist infiltration of the US generally, and the government particularly. She has been vindicated in this claim. For all the gory details see:
"The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB"
http://tinyurl.com/dg22s
This is a primary source from a former KGB senior officer who defected in the 1980s and confirms widespread Communist infiltration throughout the West at almost frightening levels.
McCarthy got painted with a brush that started long before he was ever in office by HUAC - The *House* UnAmerican Activities Committee - McCarthy was a *senator*. He was a depicable paranoid drunk, but he was right about some things, and Coulter has been almost alone in giving him his due.

Sure she's hyperbolic but so is pretty much every commentator on all sides in popular culture. Any civilization that has the short attention span to actually require shows like "Deal Or No Deal" and "Fear Factor" isn't going to listen to thoughtful political commentary. It has to be dished out like Reality TV. Coulter can be outrageous sometimes but she is consistently funny. The rest of gasbags in that space (O'Reilley, Hannity, Franken, the New York Times entire editorial staff ...) are neither interesting NOR funny. Give her some credit...

In retrospect, I think he's a genius for getting that much money on so little actual ability. It is his audience that has the IQ of shoeleather...
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Did you go to college?
If you did, does the concept of Academic Freedom have any resonance?
If every teacher at the college level is to be judged by what meetings they attended, and I mean, attended, which is different than the degree of participation breathlessly proclaimed by your reference, then the whole concept goes to hell.
And it is a fine concept.
When I was at school I had a course in Marxism.
Does that make me a Marxist?
If I had chosen to work for the government and Fox News dug up the fact that I had taken a course on Marxism, and referred to it as:
"Mr. Watson was heavily involved in Marxist thought as a young man.",
Without explaining further, without misstating the fact but ignoring the context of the facts - would you be OK with that?
Oppenheimer was an academic, who went to work for the government, as so many do. When Joe decided to go after he and others,Joe acted very much like Fox News.
That is why I call Fox News -
The New McCarthyism.
Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)
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RE: Subject
That outfit would screw up a wet dream.
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Thank you.
Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:48:55 -0700, Mark & Juanita

You know, I don't know a damned thing about your background.
I don't know if you studied smart or studied dumb.
I don't know what you have read during the course of your life.
I don't know if you subscribe to Time, or National Geographic, or Scientific American, or the Congressional Report.
Let's say, just for the moment, that you have never read anything more burdensome that the funny papers.
Even then.
Even then.
To extract the concept of a "Utopian Society" from the writings of Mr. D. is more than I can bear. (yes, that is a joke).
And, if you think that his experience is worth listening to, you could Google up the sum of his experience and be well satisfied.
Further Away Than Yesterday http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 /
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You didn't read what I posted very closely. The point is that he has had direct experience (as he later posted through his parents helping other escape the iron curtain) with the kind of society that the left thinks hasn't worked yet just because it hasn't been tried correctly. That viewpoint is rampant in our society with the various class warfare politics espoused by the left (usually from those who could lead by example and sell all they have and give to the poor, but would rather take from the rest of us for that purpose), as well as a decidedly "hate America first" rhetoric. That political viewpoint espouses implementation of an egalitarian society with guaranteed equality of results (usually for all but themselves, who will be the leaders of that society and therefore justly entitled to the associated material benefits befitting of such caring, gracious leaders) for all of society. It is the left that views that as a utopian society -- the society the USSR, the PRC, the Cubans, and others have attempted to implement. Each of those countries have had to put up walls to keep their people in, not to keep others out. Speaks volumes for the results that come from attempting to implement such societies. On the other hand, this evil country, responsible for all of the world's ills(according to the left) has to put up walls and fences to keep the people wanting to come in to a manageable level.
You know Tom, you are a very talented writer as I and others have attested to based upon various contributions you have made here. I'm sure you are a darned fine woodworker and are well experienced in that area. Your politics on the other hand, are a different matter. To post your viewpoints is one thing, all of us who have participated in this and other threads have shared our own views. The problem is that you are now elevating your voice above a crescendo and attempting to replace with volume what you are not contributing in substance. ... and that's too bad.
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You think that this is Ad Hominem?
An Ad Hominem argument is an attack on the perceived value of the interlocutor.
Don't overestimate yourself.
Further Away Than Yesterday http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 /
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

I'm surprised because up until now I had thought you would have considered pretty much all Greens, Democrats, and more than a few Republicans to be 'left'. But now you make it clear that pretty much none of those folks are, in your opinion, left.
Indeed only a minority of card carrying American Socialists would consider the USSR, PRC or Castro to be any kind of role model so it would seem that when you refer to the left, you mean only an insignificant number of people.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'll try to remember that.
Have a happy New Year.
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On 31 Dec 2005 12:14:16 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@spamcop.net wrote:

... and of course a bit of hyperbole is beyond you.

As long as you include in that list academics like Noam Chomsky, elitists like Jane Fonda, and numerous college professors.

You do the same.
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:21:35 GMT, "Charles Self"

I suppose you are a fan of Catie Kouric?
One man's vile is another man's icon.
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Actually, I don't watch much TV news, but I've never heard of Ms Kouric saying it might be "fun" to nuke a country.
Coulter is a spasmodic nitwit who thinks she's brighter than other people, who apparently delights in shock value instead of information value. If you find that an attractive feature in commentators, I feel sorry for you.
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Thanks Steve, that was an interesting read. I think the study is flawed - their metrics are just way too simple. I'm no expert, but I've seen bias show up in editorial decisions of what to cover, and then the opinion pieces - neither of which is covered by the study.
examples: I could run stories all day long challenging the administration, bring guests on who call the administration a bunch of cruel jerks that would make Scrooge look like Mother Theresa, and cite a few studies by the Rand corporation in a story about national defense and be branded on the right politically?
Or run terror alerts all day, wave the flag and try to make GW look heroic no matter what, cynically urgent stories about "Christmas Under Attack", a few hours of Hannity and O'Reilly complaining that our social safety net is wasteful and for sissies, and that John Kerry looks French and you don't trust him. Put up one chart by the Brookings Institute on the economy and you're politically on the Left?
Or better yet, run whatever you want but don't cite anybody, just lace your coverage with "some say" or "there are those who say" and then enter your pro- or ant- bias there. Your citation ratio is 0 - does that mean you're politically neutral?
Or what if your politician for comparison is a rabid idealogue who rages all day on the senate or house floor using emotion and innuendo to make ugly slurs against the Left or Right and never uses citations to back up their crazy arguments. Are they centrist?
Wow, the more I write the less I like their metrics. I'd be very interested to see who's funding this study. It smells like one of those "here's the conclusion we want, make something fit" studies used all too often in politics these days.
Dave
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