Learning is one important attribute - "Value" is another. The ability
to 'care' about the work and apply that care to this squirrelly piece
of wood that, in one set of hands looks like a piece of trash with
tearouts all over the place, but in another seems to literally flow
into the piece.
I know of 'learning' machines, I don't know of any that 'care'. There
are some that are governed by policies - policies set up by people.
Policies that are expressed in some form sufficient to the task
originally conceived but inadequately expressed and unable to be
self-modifying enough to call it 'caring'. It is the self-modifying
aspect that is a long way off (if ever) in machines - do you really
want a machine to be self-policing? - Sounds like Terminator ('course
he's governor now isn't he?). In people it's called free will...
You're using a more narrow definition of 'skill'. I'm using it in the
sense of 'ability to achieve a given result'.
What's happening is that the 'skill' is designed into the machine.
It's not something it 'learns.' (Of course that also means that the
machine is limited in what it can do, but that's another issue.)
Projects expand to fill the clamps available -- plus 20 percent
Maybe we should send them to a "skill center" (voc ed facility) to pick some
Guess not, until they could actually learn one.
I'll stick with AHD on this.
skill (sk¹l) n. 1. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or
developed through training or experience.
Agreed. So if you just want to make flat boards, go with the machine.
I'm expecting Ikea's new range of Chippendale chairs with great
Sometimes you start with flat boards before doing something more
interesting, power tools could be useful to even the most devout
neander. After all, the 18th century had self-acting power tools for
the simple tedious work - they were called apprentices. I see no
benefit in ignoring useful power for stock preparation, but a router
won't be replacing my moulders and scratch stocks any time soon.
The 18th Century had self-feeding gang rip saws, only they were water
powered and reciprocating rather than circular and electric powered.
The physique of lumbermill apprentices before water power must have been
a sight to behold from ripsawing or wedge splitting planks from logs.
A friend of mine is irritated by the paintings that show Jesus as (in her
words) "a skinny, wimpy-looking kind of guy". She says "He was a carpenter.
They didn't have power tools two thousand years ago. He must've been buff!"
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I read an article once that estimated lumberjacks two hundred years ago,
working in relative cold, cutting down trees with axes and saws for ten
hours a day, probably burned something like 5,000 calories per day. Can
you imagine the food they'd have to shovel down just to maintain their
And I get hungry just from walking to the donut box at work...
You ever see pictures of the chow halls in lumber camps?
Still a few around here who worked in 'em, and they say the food made a
farmer's breakfast look like starvation rations. More carbs than protein,
though, barring game.
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:43:18 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@TAKEOUTmindspring.com wrote:
same with the cooks on cattle drives...
I was reading about the "real" cowboys in a book (chili recipes,
actually *lol*) that said that the amount of calories burnt in a day
their favorite desert was beef fat with molasses on it... because
their bodies crazed the fat that they were burning up so fast..
(still better than the Eskimos, who crave fat so bad in the winter
that they eat blubber)
I think I'll take that trip to the frig now.. *g*
Why do you think Abe Lincoln was always portrayed as such a skinny drink of
water? Making split rail fences qualifies. I've described on here before
about cutting firewood on the farm before my Uncle got his first chainsaw.
Felling with ax and 2 man crosscut, limbing with ax, cutting to 8' length
with crosscut, splitting into fence post or firewood size wedges with wedge
& sledgehammer, etc. Try *part* of the day in the woods like that, you were
pretty dam hungry come supper time!
Re: Lumber camp calories. If you're ever up that way, visit the "Adirondack
Museum" in Blue Water Lake, NY. Plan on most of a day. They had a video
theater(mostly still shots) about logging in the Adirondacks and discussed
the calories. Seems they also kept their own herd(flock, gaggle, group,?) of
pigs, and fresh pork was a staple part of their diet.
Museum: Many displays of Adirondack life, as well as actual artifacts and
displays; old horse drawn snowplows & snow packers from sleigh days, very
early snowmobiles, Cedar strip canoes, early racing boats, etc. We had
driven by some yrs. before visiting, and they had a full 25-30' sailboat
under a glass dome. When we visited, it was no longer there, and they
explained that the dome trapped the moisture so bad that the boat was dry
rotting, so they had to remove it.
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
Adirondacks (I think) ad.
And your point is? I used to live in and around the Adirondacks, but that was
pre-yuppie, so we weren't up on wine tasting. We just drank it if we liked the
flavor, served it to someone else if we didn't.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy."
Edgar Bergen, (Charlie McCarthy)
This is what never fails to amaze me -
at the mill shop I go to, they will make
an elaborate custom door and jamb in about 5 days, give or take, using the
best power equipment money can buy.
How long would it have taken to make
the same door, starting with rough
boards, in the year 1830? There must
be logs somewhere giving exact detail
of tools, personnel and time frames.
It would be very interesting to see.
firstname.lastname@example.org (BUB 209) wrote in message
Maybe not all that much longer than your mill shop. Labor was a LOT
cheaper 175 years ago - not to mention apprentices that got bupkis for
7 years. The shop could throw 5 or 7 men on one door - each one doing
his "specialty" - where the modern shop probably uses only 2 or 3 men
(if that)to knock out the same product. Also it IS true that practice
develops speed. You're looking at hand-producing, say, a bead molding
according to how YOU think YOU would do it. In 1830 there were guys
who did nothing but moldings and could probably do in a day what would
take you a month doing it his way.
"Cut to shape . . . pound to fit."
That's fair because your opinion didn't mean anything to me either.
If everyone had your burning quest for technological advancement we'd
still be sitting in unheated caves wondering if rocks are edible.
"Cut to shape . . . pound to fit."
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