i recall from a boat builder that red oak is actually white wood and white oak
is redder wood
i also thought red oak smoked a lot more when burned
i was considering getting some red oak firewaood but may pass on it
some places just say oak firewood for sale and no more
fyi boat builders i think like white oak more due to lower porosity
In my experience red oak has a reddish tinge to the wood colour, while white
oak lacks the red and is more brown. You can see photos of the woods if you
I am certain that boat builders do not like red oak because it will turn
black when it gets soaked especially around fasteners, as they react with
the tannin in the wood.
Regarding smoke, I have no idea. Firewood sellers probably don't know nor
care about the differences. For firewood, the heavier the wood, more heat is
released by the wood. This is why high density woods are prized for burning
and are often more expensive.
Why don't you just do as you suggest I do and go look (altho on that
discussion I _have_ looked and can't find what you claim is so :( )...
If they're only cutting firewood, they really don't care and there's a
good chance there are other hardwoods in the mix as well (and who know,
they may try to slip in a little SYP if the customer doesn't know
better). All in all, you don't really care as it makes hardly a whit of
difference for virtually all excepting for a very few such as poplar and
avoiding a _lot_ of pine owing to the pitch (altho if you burn it with
some dry hardwood, it'll burn hot enough that creosoting isn't much of a
real problem In VA and TN we burned quite a lot of all with simply some
care to spread the pine out some).
If they're older woods kinda' guys they'll know from the bark and the
wood 'cuz they'll just know one from another; if they're just a bunch of
kids or hacks cutting wood for a few bucks they may have no klew what
_any_ tree actually is, only if it's lost its leaves or not in the
I have some fire wood that I'm picking out bolts to re-saw into small
boards. I've never seen it before.
Curly oak. I've seen maple but in oak - can't wait till I get a board...
Some of the wood is very active in the waves of wood bulge out the side...
Any oak users see any ?
On 1/13/2016 4:07 PM, dpb wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:32:58 -0600, Martin Eastburn
I've seen some real nice curly pattern in quarter sawn oak many times.
cut at an angle a lot of the pattern dissapears, so I'd suspect that
piece of lumber came from a tree with, among other things, a bit of a
twist in the trunk in the area the log was cut from.
See enough wood and you'll eventually see most everything... :)
Are you perhaps talking of burls here, though with the "wood bulge out
the side" description?
I've seen some "curly" grain in oak, yes, altho in white oak rather than
red; otomh I can't recall any in red as it's so ring-porous not sure
it'd ever be altho faint possibility I suppose if it were quartersawn.
In rift of flatsawn don't think it'd ever be other than perhaps in some
knotwood. That, of course, is where it shows up mostly in the white oak
is around included branches and the like...
I have bold after bolt of this strong figure.
The waves have maybe 1" or 1.5" wave lengths. Running up/down the tree.
All I can figure is either there is far more than what I have found or
it is a section of the tree that took the rotation of the head of the
branches - the rotational twisting might cause it to sink or shorten
as it pops grain and it regrows to cover over most and strengthen
better. That is what I think.
On 1/15/2016 8:27 AM, dpb wrote:
Equivalently dry, white oak will have only about 10% more heating value
than red oak, mostly owing to the white oak is roughly 5-7% more dense.
As for smoke, again, if they're dry there will be no discernible
difference to worry about.
As for color, the reason red oak is called "red" is....
There's variability owing to particular subspecies and growth location
(minerals content in soil can make significant difference, for example)
so there are individual trees that will be lighter and basically mimic a
white oak in color but as a general rule they are definitely pinkish to
occasionally quite dark.
The prime difference between the two is the porosity and resistance to
decay; red oak will rot quite rapidly in comparison to white and is so
ring porous as to be useless for coopering or boatbuilding from that
standpoint. White oak, otoh, is the cat's meow for wine casks and many
other similar uses...
I don't know how boat building and burning wood for heat are connected,
but it makes no difference.
Red oak burns just fine. It is abundant around here and I've burned many
cords of it. If I had a boat built with it I'd probably burn that too
as the wood it too porous for water use. Red oak is good for cooking
too, either in a fire pit or smoker.
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