I've had a discussion with friends

I agree that there are people in this world that need a good killing. At the least a fair trial before we hang 'em.

I watched a show on US TV about boat repair/mantenance. John Graviscus was describing a 'dah doh' . These are the moments when you need to get the gun. If you mis use a word at least pronounce it correctly as 'day doh'

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cselby
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than it is a rabbet/rebate.

He probably wouldn't call it anything, because the nanny suprastate called the EEC has decided it's too dangerous for him.

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George

Well thats brought it to light then,a 17thC word yelled by a woodcutter.

A young guy working, chiseling a rebate in a piece of wood who accidently cuts his finger off and yells...Dado(father)I've cut me finger off.

Pmsl

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The3rd Earl Of Derby

You could be right as that sort of blade will be only used in a commercial wood shop?

Never seen such a beast over here?

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The3rd Earl Of Derby

No, they're quite common even for the casual weekender, I'd say...

Guess you wouldn't need a name for it then, eh? :)

I did do a quick google and found one uk-based woodworking discussion group where it was being discussed so assumed it was at least available, even if not widely used for whatever reason. I'd heard that there were restrictions on arbor length on at least some saws that limit their use, but don't know the precise details. I personally don't see them as fundamentally any more dangerous than a single blade and, in fact, use a 10" rather than 8" simply as it makes adjust of the arbor more convenient in switchover, not for any additional capacity although it does aid on occasion when use the two outer blades alone w/ a spacer between for simulataneous cutting of tenon cheeks.

I don't see the reason to be in such an apparent snit over the general issue, however, that a different terminology exists and that there's any reason (other than the obvious one of familiarity) to claim one is any way preferable to another so I'm done--I really knew I should have continued to ignore the whole discussion. Unless, of course, the whole point is simply to "stir the pot", so to speak.

I understand the initial question and confusion, just fail to see any merit in the followup once it was explained. In earlier response tried to defuse the issue by pointing out it isn't anything new at all in the US so can't claim "johnny-come-lately" or other such laxity in usage. That didn't seem to work, either. :(

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dpb

If you've learned to speak fluent English, you must be a genius! This little treatise on the lovely language we share is only for the brave. Peruse at your leisure, English lovers. Reasons why the English language is so hard to learn:

1) The bandage was wound around the wound. 2) The farm was used to produce produce. 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. 4) We must polish the Polish furniture. 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out. 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present. 8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes. 10) I did not object to the object. 11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid. 12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. 13) They were too close to the door to close it. 14) The buck does funny things when the does are present. 15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. 16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. 17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail 18) After a number of injections my jaw got number. 19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear. 20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. 21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple.

English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France.

Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat.

Quicksand works slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?

If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese?

Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend.

If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it? Is it an odd, or an end?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught?

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital?

Ship by truck and send cargo by ship?

Have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

P.S. - Why doesn't "Buick" rhyme with "quick"?

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Dave Hall

PMSL!

French students come to the UK to learn English...they don't stay long. lol

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The3rd Earl Of Derby

But English isn't terribly hard to learn, compared to other languages; Mandarin or Cantonese for example.

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Malcolm Hoar

Found here

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Dave asked:

"I'm curious how a cross grain groove in wood came to be known as a dado? Any theories?"

I have wondered if the "sunken" aspect of the architectural dado may not be related to the cross-grain dado, but find this unsatisfactory because it doesn't address the cross-grain aspect.

So, your question prompted me to delve into this a bit last evening. In the process, I ran across an entry for "Dado" in Peter Nicholson's _Encyclopedia of Architecture_ (circa 1850's) which *may* provide a speculative basis for a theory about this etymology. Following is the entry at length. This is easier than attempting to summarize or paraphrase, and provides some traditional woodworking content even if it proves entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. :-)

"DADO (an Italian word, signifying a die), a term for the die or plain face of a pedestal; that part of a room comprehended between the base and surbase. The dado employed in the interiors of buildings, is a continuous pedestal, with a plinth and base moulding, and a cornice or dado moulding surmounting the die. This continuous pedestal with its moulding is sometimes only made of stucco or plaster; but in well-finished rooms is constructed of wood, and is usually about the height of the back of a chair. Its present purpose, when employed, is to protect the stucco-work or paper of the walls, but originally it was used as an architectural decoration to the room.

"The dado is made of deal boards, glued edge to edge, the heading joints ploughed and tongued together, and the back keyed; the stuff generally employed for this purpose is whole deal; the keys are always made to taper in their breadth, and may be about three inches broad in the middle; they are let into the back of the dado by a transverse groove, which is either wider at the bottom than at the surface, or it is first made of a square section, which is again grooved on each side next to the bottom. Though the keys should shrink, those of this last form will always keep their inner surface close to the bottom of the grooves.

"Some workmen prefer the broad end of the key to be placed downwards; the lower end should rest firmly, either upon the ground or floor, and the dado should be left at liberty to slide downwards upon the keys. Others, again, prefer the wide end of the key to be placed upwards, and the dado to be fixed by this; the key, as it shrinks, will fall down from its own weight."

What strikes me is that the "transverse groove" across the back of the dado boards may well have been established with "dado" or double nickered "jack rabbet" planes. This groove could then have been modified to form a tapered sliding dovetail joint or "T-slot" (as I interpret the text). Possibly, the transverse grooves and the planes which produced them, came to have the term "dado" attached to them by association through their usage on the dado boards?

Needless to say, this is a conjectural theory, and I put it forth purely for its heuristic value.

Don McConnell Eureka Springs, AR

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damian penney

Found here

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Dave asked:

"I'm curious how a cross grain groove in wood came to be known as a dado? Any theories?"

I have wondered if the "sunken" aspect of the architectural dado may not be related to the cross-grain dado, but find this unsatisfactory because it doesn't address the cross-grain aspect.

So, your question prompted me to delve into this a bit last evening. In the process, I ran across an entry for "Dado" in Peter Nicholson's _Encyclopedia of Architecture_ (circa 1850's) which *may* provide a speculative basis for a theory about this etymology. Following is the entry at length. This is easier than attempting to summarize or paraphrase, and provides some traditional woodworking content even if it proves entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. :-)

"DADO (an Italian word, signifying a die), a term for the die or plain face of a pedestal; that part of a room comprehended between the base and surbase. The dado employed in the interiors of buildings, is a continuous pedestal, with a plinth and base moulding, and a cornice or dado moulding surmounting the die. This continuous pedestal with its moulding is sometimes only made of stucco or plaster; but in well-finished rooms is constructed of wood, and is usually about the height of the back of a chair. Its present purpose, when employed, is to protect the stucco-work or paper of the walls, but originally it was used as an architectural decoration to the room.

"The dado is made of deal boards, glued edge to edge, the heading joints ploughed and tongued together, and the back keyed; the stuff generally employed for this purpose is whole deal; the keys are always made to taper in their breadth, and may be about three inches broad in the middle; they are let into the back of the dado by a transverse groove, which is either wider at the bottom than at the surface, or it is first made of a square section, which is again grooved on each side next to the bottom. Though the keys should shrink, those of this last form will always keep their inner surface close to the bottom of the grooves.

"Some workmen prefer the broad end of the key to be placed downwards; the lower end should rest firmly, either upon the ground or floor, and the dado should be left at liberty to slide downwards upon the keys. Others, again, prefer the wide end of the key to be placed upwards, and the dado to be fixed by this; the key, as it shrinks, will fall down from its own weight."

What strikes me is that the "transverse groove" across the back of the dado boards may well have been established with "dado" or double nickered "jack rabbet" planes. This groove could then have been modified to form a tapered sliding dovetail joint or "T-slot" (as I interpret the text). Possibly, the transverse grooves and the planes which produced them, came to have the term "dado" attached to them by association through their usage on the dado boards?

Needless to say, this is a conjectural theory, and I put it forth purely for its heuristic value.

Don McConnell Eureka Springs, AR

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damian penney

Found here

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and in whole

Dave asked:

"I'm curious how a cross grain groove in wood came to be known as a dado? Any theories?"

I have wondered if the "sunken" aspect of the architectural dado may not be related to the cross-grain dado, but find this unsatisfactory because it doesn't address the cross-grain aspect.

So, your question prompted me to delve into this a bit last evening. In the process, I ran across an entry for "Dado" in Peter Nicholson's _Encyclopedia of Architecture_ (circa 1850's) which *may* provide a speculative basis for a theory about this etymology. Following is the entry at length. This is easier than attempting to summarize or paraphrase, and provides some traditional woodworking content even if it proves entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. :-)

"DADO (an Italian word, signifying a die), a term for the die or plain face of a pedestal; that part of a room comprehended between the base and surbase. The dado employed in the interiors of buildings, is a continuous pedestal, with a plinth and base moulding, and a cornice or dado moulding surmounting the die. This continuous pedestal with its moulding is sometimes only made of stucco or plaster; but in well-finished rooms is constructed of wood, and is usually about the height of the back of a chair. Its present purpose, when employed, is to protect the stucco-work or paper of the walls, but originally it was used as an architectural decoration to the room.

"The dado is made of deal boards, glued edge to edge, the heading joints ploughed and tongued together, and the back keyed; the stuff generally employed for this purpose is whole deal; the keys are always made to taper in their breadth, and may be about three inches broad in the middle; they are let into the back of the dado by a transverse groove, which is either wider at the bottom than at the surface, or it is first made of a square section, which is again grooved on each side next to the bottom. Though the keys should shrink, those of this last form will always keep their inner surface close to the bottom of the grooves.

"Some workmen prefer the broad end of the key to be placed downwards; the lower end should rest firmly, either upon the ground or floor, and the dado should be left at liberty to slide downwards upon the keys. Others, again, prefer the wide end of the key to be placed upwards, and the dado to be fixed by this; the key, as it shrinks, will fall down from its own weight."

What strikes me is that the "transverse groove" across the back of the dado boards may well have been established with "dado" or double nickered "jack rabbet" planes. This groove could then have been modified to form a tapered sliding dovetail joint or "T-slot" (as I interpret the text). Possibly, the transverse grooves and the planes which produced them, came to have the term "dado" attached to them by association through their usage on the dado boards?

Needless to say, this is a conjectural theory, and I put it forth purely for its heuristic value.

Don McConnell Eureka Springs, AR

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damian penney

I just looked it up (should have done that first), and 'rebate' is a variation of 'rabbet', so, regardless of the sound of 'dado' , a rabbet is not a groove and is inappropriately used as the term for one.

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Lee K

Can't be that hard, if you go over to China even little kids can speak it.

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Lee K

Ah, but a 'trunk' is what you stow things in, say, on a trans-Atlantic voyage.

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Lee K

I once walked into a butcher shop in Hounslow, UK, asked clearly and plainly for a steak (with just a modicum of Texicoonass accent I am certain, for I had just spent the past three years in Australia/New Zealand) and was informed implicitly "We don't have steak here, mate ... this is a butcher shop!"

Still trying to figure that one out 43 years later. There ain't no telling about the English language ...

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Swingman

As much as you guys discuss / argue words in this thread, I can't help but thank the Earl for my favorite new expression:

"Faffing"

I love it!

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B A R R Y

That is correct. However, ;~) you can use a Dado blade to cut a rabbet.

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Leon

And why do we park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?

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Larry Kraus

Try this one:

Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

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lwasserm

That was in another thread,wasn't it?

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The3rd Earl Of Derby

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