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Last night, I needed to re-tap a hole for a shoe hold down on a jigsaw. I reached into my drawer with the taps in it, and pulled out my best tap holder and a tap. The tap holder was home made, by my grandpa, and he put his name and date he made it on the side of it with a center punch. P Morgan 1911. Here I was using a tool made 103 years ago! Standing on the shoulders of giants!
Then I realized I really needed a bottoming tap to get threads all the way to the bottom of the hole. I dumped the whole drawer out, and sure enough, there was one in there. I looked upwards and said silently, "thanks dad."
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On 5/6/2014 7:42 AM, Morgans wrote:

I have some of my father's and grandfather's tools like hammers, a draw knife, etc. One of the most interesting is a set of tongs.
My grandfather was a blacksmith. I believe he learned the trade as an apprentice to an older blacksmith that lived about 10 miles from his father's house. When it came time for his own shop, his father and brother helped with the purchase. He spent the rest of his live in the home next door to the shop.
When he was young, his brother accidentally cut his finger off with an axe. The reason I remember this is that he made a special set of tongs that were curved so that the handle passed through the space where the finger was missing giving him better control of the tongs. I have those tongs and they are a very special tool for me. Each time I pick them up and hold them it is sort of like shaking hands with may grandfather who died in 1957
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On 5/6/2014 6:42 AM, Morgans wrote:

That is really really cool. One has to wonder if your grand father imagined his grandson using the tool 103 years later as he was standing back and admiring. ;~)
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Interesting thought. I doubt it. I imagine he hoped his yet unborn son would take up working with his hands, and he did, but not as a machinist. His son became a mechanical engineer, but was a hands on type.
My dad certainly would have anticipated me using his tools. He learned what his dad knew, and I learned what he knew, so I was really learning what grandpa knew. I am what they were, that is certain. And proud of it!
And I didn't leave out my mom's side of the family. Her dad was a carpenter, and her brother was a carpenter. I wonder how much of this stuff really is all about the genes? Makes you wonder.
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On 5/6/2014 8:21 AM, Morgans wrote:> >
>> >> >> That is really really cool. One has to wonder if your grand father >> imagined his grandson using the tool 103 years later as he was >> standing back and admiring. ;~) > > Interesting thought. I doubt it. I imagine he hoped his yet unborn son > would take up working with his hands, and he did, but not as a > machinist. His son became a mechanical engineer, but was a hands on type.
Welllll, LOL I'm hoping to be come a grandpa one day and kinda think that way about some of the furniture that I have built. My son when 24 years old mentioned that he would build a house to house all of what I built. ;~) He is 26 today and had bought and paid for his home.
> > My dad certainly would have anticipated me using his tools. He learned > what his dad knew, and I learned what he knew, so I was really learning > what grandpa knew. I am what they were, that is certain. And proud of it!
Absolutely
> > And I didn't leave out my mom's side of the family. Her dad was a > carpenter, and her brother was a carpenter. I wonder how much of this > stuff really is all about the genes? Makes you wonder.
Both of my grand fathers died before I was born but my mother's father built several homes for for his family and his siblings. I am the only male grandson that never met him and the only one that builds. It very well must be in the genes. ;~)
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On 5/6/2014 9:21 AM, Morgans wrote:

Yep, similar here, but my son is going to break the chain. He has no interest in this stuff :-(
He is a gamer, pc enthusiast, now a comp sci (graduates the 27th) guy. He just had no interest.
When I was young, I wanted to work with my dad in the shop.. I must have annoyed the crap out of him, always wanting to do what he was doing. I wish he was around. He would love my shop, probably come over to hang out and piddle around.
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On 5/6/2014 6:42 AM, Morgans wrote:

Wonderful story. Thanks for sharing it.
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I want to urge you, in a big way. DON'T give up.
I went to school to become a band director, and did. I taught for 3 years, before I decided building was more fun and paid better. I then taught building after I was a builder for several years. So I ended up following my genes after all.
My dad went on to become a mechanical engineer, and when he retired, he decided he was going to become a cabinet builder and master woodworker. He still had the mentality of an engineer. He worked to the thousands with darn near everything. I must say, for one who was largely self taught, he made some wonderful pieces.

Yep. I was told later on how I was annoying at times, by my dad. I was told that half of the time, as I was holding a light under the car, he would have to move my head out of the way so he could see what he was trying to work on.
I was fortunate that we did get to work together. The two of us built his dream retirement house on the lake, and did almost all of the work. I had gotten distant from my dad, but that house was the best thing I ever did. We got close, and stayed as close as two people can be, all of the way to his death. I will always be grateful.
Really, don't give up and continue to try and expose him in a fun way. He may decide what he went to school for is not what he wanted, or he may decide to do it as a hobby, or as retirement. Sure is true in my family.
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On 5/6/2014 9:45 AM, Morgans wrote:

I'd bet you right now that if you could say it, and maybe he did, that that was the most gratifying experience of his life.
You're right, _both_ of you were fortunate to have had that experience.
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going to break the chain. He has no

And then there is CNC routing and shaping. Perhaps that would be his niche? Growing demand for that kind of thing.
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On Tue, 06 May 2014 08:34:53 -0500, Leon wrote:

Interesting. I'm adopted so I don't know what my ancestors did, but I do woodworking,wood turning, and model railroading. And I made a living writing software which could also be considered "building" things.
So, especially considering "regression to the norm", somebody in my ancestral past must have been one heck of a builder :-).
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On Tue, 6 May 2014 16:22:12 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard

And that's a good argument for nurture over nature. I'm adopted too and spent countless hours in my adoptive father's workshop. I live in an apartment now, but if I had my own house, it would be mostly useless to me unless it had a workshop.
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Computer Science seems to scratch the same itch as building things does for me. The difference is at the lowest level, where things are either built virtually on the computer or built in reality using tools.
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On 07 May 2014 03:47:06 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

I'm an EE, so either solder wires or cut boards. ;-) It's really the same sort of design/planning but more fun because I don't do it for a living 40+ hours a week. I wouldn't want to ruin another hobby.
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wrote:

I seriously doubt you annoyed the crap out of your dad. He probably was very proud of the fact you were curious and wanted to learn about what interested him.
My dad wasn't a builder or even very handy with tools but he was the best dad in the world! I miss my dad too.
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Gordon Shumway wrote:

Here's another perspective for you. My grandfather (circa 1900), who worked on an automotive assembly line, did not want his son to "work with his hands"--so much so that he would not allow him to watch him to work on cars. He told him, "go away, you'll get your hands dirty", which I know my dad found painful. I believe that he meant well--but he didn't provide any funds for college tuition either... lol
As it turned out, besides going into engineering, my dad was a very avid gardener, and spent more time than most with his hands in dirt. My grandfather, was a fairly avid gardener too, so surely he inherited some of that. Tools are an important theme of my life. If I had to pick just one, it would be an easy choice: A Dixon Ticonderoga.
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Bill wrote:

And that one would beget the rest..
How can a man even choose a wife without a pencil to enumerate the pros and cons?
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On 5/8/2014 9:50 AM, Bill wrote:

the time until the wedding convincing the man he made the right decision.
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Keith Nuttle wrote:

Yes, I think that's the way is actually happens! : )
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