I've been using Google Groups, but it has no filters.
I'm tired of sorting out the legitimate posts from the spam.
Can anyone recommend a good (preferably free) news reader that will
work with Windows Vista?
I'm not really a bit-head, so installation needs to be close to point
Thanks, and will be seeing you...
I don't know if it works with Vista, but MicroPlanet Gravity has
been very good to me. Two drawbacks: I can't figure out how to
change the color on threads I've responsed to, and the right
click doesn't work for copying, pasting, &c.
Windows Mail works fine (don't let the name fool you, it handles
USENET just fine) and it's included with Vista. There's a freeware
add-in called "OE-Quotefix"
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ that addresses most
of the complaints (other than that "It's EEEVIILLLL") that people have
I have been using Forte Agent for years. I would not say it is
neccessarily easy but once you get the basic setup it works pretty
well. I have posts saved for a long time that I think I might refer to
I agree. Although I usually use Outlook for general email, like you I use
Agent 4.2 for all my uploading and downloading. It has a number of improved
features over the V1.9 that I was using previously.
Years ago I would have said use Forte Free Agent, but it has been
discontinued. Probably your best bet is to use Thunderbird for both
usenet and mail.
Ironically, one of the first things you might want to do when you leave
Google Groups is filter out all posts from @google.com. That's where 90%
of the usenet spam is coming from these days.
I'm using it as I type. Do you mean that the free version is not
available for new suscribers?
It does not, however, have filters in the free version.
Probably your best bet is to use Thunderbird for both
There is no free version. It was discontinued years ago. The "Free
Agent" that you can find occasionally is abandonware. The only
product Forte has now is "Agent", which you can use for free as
annoyware--the disabled features aren't hidden and every time you
inadvertently click on one it comes up with an ad for the for-pay
Hmm, I guess what throws me off is when it comes up it clearly says
"free agent" at the top of the page. I didn't know there was a
predecessor. Was it full featured for free?
What you say about the disabled features not being hidden is accurate.
However, I've used it for a long time without them, but may consider a
If you can use Filters or Junk controls or some other method in
Thunderbird to get rid of all the spam showing up in the Wreck, I'd
surely like to know how. It looks like you can create filters from
existing messages, but I don't see how to get them to clean out the
headers that have already been downloaded.
From an Agent user, used to using wildcards when sending to the
Yeah for the 3rd or 4th time I have down loaded and installed Thunderbird
and an hour later uninstalled it because the Use filter is greyed out.
Creating the filter was easy enough. Using help was a night mare.
Not Outlook, Outlook _Express_--different products, with no real
relation between them except that both are from Microsoft, both do
email, and both have "Outlook" in the name. You have to buy Outlook
and it doesn't have NNTP support without a third-party add-in. On
Vista, Outlook Express is no longer called that but is now "Windows
Some people give the impression that they would rather die than use
Outlook Express and Internet Explorer--I don't understand the mindset
that gets that distraught about such things, but some people do.
That would be me. :-)
For years, Outlook (and Outlook Express) didn't follow the various mail
RFCs. In other words, they were clients for Windows mail, not Windows
clients for email. Microsoft used them to try to usurp the platform-neutral
nature of email.
Also, they had such lovely "features" as auto-open attachments. Before
Outlook came along, there were hoax emails that went around claiming,
"DO NOT OPEN AN EMAIL MESSAGE WITH THE SUBJECT (whatever)!!! IT WILL
DESTROY YOUR COMPUTER!!!" Those of us in computing laughed and grimmaced
turnabout at the stupidity of such messages--that is, until Microsoft made
such behaviour possible and even quite likely. Then add the amazing number
of years its taken them to make a product that STILL isn't stable, and
the fact that spam proliferation is predominantly based on Outlook/OE holes,
and I have enough justification to remove it from any PC I own. (And that
doesn't even bring up the issue of default HTML email--or just how badly
MS generates HTML.)
As for IE, similar concerns: They've aggressively added non-standard
extensions to HTML, such that websites designed for IE don't work in a
standards-compliant browser. Web pages that are designed for IE, aren't
really web pages--they're Windows application documents, and have no
business being published on port 80, which is reserved for the web.
Oh yeah, then there's the fact that IE is tied directly into the kernel,
which makes it easier to either trash or take over the user's computer.
Between IE and OE, I blame Microsoft for making spam and virus-writing
profitable. Given that roughly 90% OF ALL EMAIL TRAFFIC is now spam, and
that the spam is predominantly generated by the Russian mafia, I'd say
that Microsoft has some 'splainin' to do.
As for why I get distraught about it, well it's my job. I'm a Unix admin.
That's all a perfectly good justification for an anti-MS
My desktop will be Windows-based for the foreseeable future for practical,
not philisophical reasons.
OE is still pretty decent newsreader.
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Understood. My wife is an AutoCAD instructor, and AutoCAD doesn't run on
anything else. I'm fully in favour of practicality winning over philosophy
in most situations.
Well...no. It's not. All philosophical rants aside, it's just not a good
newsreader or mail client. It's slow, buggy, unstable, badly organised,
and encourages bad posting behaviour.
But that's all I'll say on the issue here. Suffice to say, I recommend
Thunderbird as a usenet client to anyone. (Even though I'm a profound
luddite, and use tin :-)
Bullshit. After using OE for many years, listening to others recommendations
I tried other newsreaders. I'm back to using OE and I'm sticking with it.
Does everything I want it to do and at no cost. I like it so much I may
just send Bill Gates a $20 bill as a thank you.
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