Kerosene is what I use. Silent, easy to use and portable. Yes, it's a little more expensive than some alternatives but, here in the Seattle area, it's not needed often enough to justify the cost or bother of installing something else.
I'm no expert, but I think that's part of the deal. Here in Wisconsin, we didn't get any snow *at all* until Mid-January, and we've still only got an inch or so on the ground. For comparison, we used to get *deep* snow in this area, and it started in early to mid November every year- sometimes even as early as October or September.
Personally, I don't like it. I don't live this far north to be denied my snow- and I doubt you care much for cold, being a Texan!
In a word, yes. But, it will depend a lot on what heater you have. A heater that vents the CO2 and water vapor (which you should have in an enclosed area anyway) will not be much worse than your home heater. A torpedo heater or a burner screwed onto a tank is going to make for a really moist environment, though. That gets to be a problem if you're repeatedly heating and cooling your shop. You can minimize the effect by coating your tools with wax or top-cote or something, but it's better just to get something that will be vented, IMO.
I couldn't suggest a particular brand, they all seem to be about the same to me- but this style works nicely.
It sure will. I'm half convinced we have no snow because I finally broke down and bought a snow blower last year. On the upside, you won't have to actually buy any propane.
A little late getting in on this thread, but I use one a 4000watt Lakewood commercial convection heater. It works great for my 20x24 shop. Where I live this ends up being about $0.32 per hour to run. Seems unbelievably cheap to me, but I also have good insulation in the shop which helps. After a very, very cold night (20's outside) it takes an hour or so to get up to a good workable temp. Not balmy 75 but a decent 50 or so in there.
Prior to owning this I used on of those largish kerosene heaters that warmed the shop quicker, but seemed to eat kerosene even faster. Plus, the hassle of getting and storing the kerosene made me end up purchasing the convection heater.
I also have a couple of those oil filled electric heaters that I use by themselves on days when it's cool, but not frigid. They work great also.
I'm surprised none of the hardcore galoots here said anything about wearing heavier clothes and creating your own heat the old fashioned way! ;-)
Cheers! Dukester
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Then you've got a problem with both of them. That's not normal behavior for either a kerosene or a propane heater.
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Me too. But the probably know by now that cutting wood and having sex at the same time can be dangerous...
-Jim
I'm in Wisconsin with a 20x20 unattached partially insulated garage. I use one of those electric heaters exclusively. I have to wait about an hour before it's comfortable in there and if it's below 20, it doesn't get comfortable.
But I don't like the moisture and fumes created by anything that burns, unless it uses outside air for fuel consumption, plus here in town there's lots of codes to break and neighbors to watch out for. The electricity use just hasn't been all that bad. I thought it was going to cost a lot more to run this unit and until the temps dropped just a little while ago, it was keeping that shop nice and toasty.
Family issues and high-priority projects have kept me from insulating properly. This spring it gets done for sure.
And a word of gratitude; after getting a nightstand built to her own specs, SWMBO up and GAVE me her half of the garage and now parks under a pine tree because that's the only spot off the street. Bless her heart. This spring she gets a little carport tarp-and-framework thing just to keep the pine sap off.
Said John Wayne Bobbitt.
My shop probably hit -30 C this winter. Hard to work when wearing big mitts to keep my fingers from freezing. :)
Chris
with both of them. That's not normal
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(1.2 degrees C) above the 20th Century mean and 0.07 degrees F (0.04 degrees C) warmer than 1998. NOAA originally estimated in mid-December that the 2006 annual average temperature for the contiguous United States would likely be
2 degrees F (1.1 degrees C) above the 20th Century mean, which would have made 2006 the third warmest year on record, slightly cooler than 1998 and 1934, according to preliminary data. Further analysis of annual temperatures and an unusually warm December caused the change in records." Hampshire) and no state was colder than average in December."These data, primarily from rural stations, have been adjusted to remove artificial effects resulting from factors such as urbanization and station and instrument changes,"
"Average" and "mean" are *exactly* the same thing.
Arithmetic mean is same as average, you may be confusing it with the median or mode, other terms used by statisticians to confuse one and all.
Call up the Inhofe presentation, "average" that with the climate alarm grou[p, and you can stop worrying. Nothing you can do about it anyway. But you might still need heat in the shop. I had to use heat last night to keep the latex paints and water based glues from freezing. Most years get by with a hundred watt light bulb.
Frank
Nope, no confusion, but I may well have assumed too much, too early in the morning, about the webpages attempt at "statistical" evidence.
Remark was based on what appeared to me to be an attempt to determine/define a rate of change in global warming/temperatures. Did I just imagine that, or did I just read that into it?
In any event, last time I took the course (maybe too many years ago), a statiscal analysis of *rate of change* is assumed to use a "geometric" mean on the data, as an arithmetic mean (average) would result in a higher, and inarguably invalid conclusion ... unless, of course, you are trying to mislead someone.
As you can probably guess, I'm convinced there is a LOT of statistical "misleading" on this issue.
I agree ... but don't tell that to Al before the Oscar's!
I managed to get a glue-up done before it got too cold last night, but until just this afternoon doing anything else that had to do with glue or finishing was out of the question.
I think I'll just wait until that annual, "statistically predictable", global warming called summer, where the "average" temperature is in the
90's. ;)
average temperature was 55 degrees F-2.2 degrees F
As explained by others, they are synonyms.
As the paragraph explains, they did preliminary estimates in mid December using some model. But the rest of December, that had not occurred yet, actually came in warmer than the model predicted. In business you make projections of sales, profit, etc. for the year. You update this as the year goes along. The estimate in mid year for the whole year is half realized and half unrealized based upon models. Until the year ends you do not know the actual profit, sales, etc. But all businesses do this. You are always comparing budget to actual and projected to be sure things do not get out of hand. I'm guessing you never worked on the financial side of a business.
See above. You make projections throughout the year and then compare your projections to actual at the end. Called backtesting. You then use this information to improve your model for estimating so you can project better next time. Being able to reliably project the future in a business, or anything, is valuable. Predictability is what you want. You can plan for predictability. Take winter for example. Where I live its predictably cold and snowy. The DOT uses this reliable prediction to budget for road clearing, sand and salt stockpiling, etc. In Texas you really don't have predictable winters. Normally they are warm. So you do not plan anything. Then when ice and snow hit Dallas, you are really screwed. Where I live, when the ice and snow come, we just send out the snow plows and everything continues as normal.
data, primarily from rural stations, have been adjusted to
And, as explained in another post, they are not.
The fact that you aren't even aware that there is a difference in "mean", explains the rest of your post, snipped as equally flawed in reasoning.
Al has to get his Oscar first.
You appear to be unaware that "mean", withOUT any qualifiers, means "arithmetic mean" -- which is exactly the same as "average". If "geometric mean" is *meant*, then it must be so stated in order to be so understood.
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