General International Table Saw Dimensions

This is my first post to this group but I've searched the archives and received quite a bit of useful information so far. I'm going to be purchasing a General International 50-185 table saw but I'm not sure if I should get the LM1 model with a 52" rip fence system or the M1 with the 30" fence system. Like many woodworkers, the space in my garage is less than ideal. I figure that if I can fit the larger saw into my limited space I might as well go for it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the dimensions for either of the above listed saws. Specifically, what I need is the width of both saws from the edge of the table to the left of the blade to the end of the fence rails to the right for both saws. I'm hoping that any of you who have either saw would measure yours and post the results for me. I have about an 8' space left on one wall where my father's old Craftsman table saw used to reside along with my large router table cabinet. Dad wanted his saw back so now I'm left with a space and the need for a new saw. What I'd really like to do is build a new router table top to put into the space between the fence rails. I like having a fairly large router table and I figure that the longer rails of the 52" saw would give me a space to add one and combine two tools into a smaller space. I've seen that GI makes a router table that fits the 50-185 but it won't allow me to keep my phenolic router insert and probably won't allow me to use the beefy fence that I've built. Unfortunately there are no GI distributers within a few hundred miles of where I live, (Redding, California) so I can't go looking and measuring. Have any of you added in one of these tables to your saw? Some saws are designed in a way that makes it easier to add a table than others. Is this possible without drastic modifications to this saw? My current router table is about 36" wide by 24" deep and 1 3/8" thick. I'd like to be able to make a table to fit the saw that allows me to use the fence I already have and orient the fence so that I can use the cast iron table of the saw as an outfeed table for the router table. Most table saw/router combos that I've seen place the operator at the end of the saw with the router fence parallel to the saw fence instead of parallel to the front of the table saw like I want to do. Again, since I haven't actually seen one of these saws in person I don't know how hard it will be to attach a router table to the saw without heavy modifications to the saw and possibly screwing it up. Any ideas? could I do this with the 30" saw or is the 52" the way to go. As far as pricing goes, I've only found this saw for sale online at a few places and the price seems to be right at about $650US for the 30" and $690US for the 52". Anyone know where I might find this any cheaper? I was considering buying from Tools-Plus online. The nearest distributer is about 2 hours from me and they don't have any in stock. they want $629US and $729US for the small and the large and wouldn't have it for about a week. I'd have to pay in advance and pay sales tax but I might save a little on shipping even after paying for the gas to get there and back. Sorry this is so long. I'll try to keep my posts shorter in the future. Thanks in advance for any replies.
Bruce
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http://www.general.ca/product/inter/50175an.html
Specifically, what I need is the width

The specs say the table is 40", so the blade is in the center making it 20" to the left. Add the 30" or 52" on the right for total size.. Figure about 72" for the big one.

Adding a router to a 30' saw is not a good idea IMO, The tableboard is just too small. If I had a 52" saw, I'd consider it. If you have the router setup on the 30", you'd be chanign setups on the saw or the router to accomodate use of the other tool far too often. Although I've seldom wished I had the longer rails, I don't think I could live with a router in my 30" saw. I have a table and I can leave the setup alone while using the saw and vice versa.
If you can fit it, get the 52" if you are willing to give up a dedicated router table.
BTW, it looks like a nice saw. Ed
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snipped-for-privacy@charter.net (Bruce) wrote in
I doubt you'll find it cheaper. I tried to find one since before Thanksgiving, very long wait for orders. Finally, drove to Canada (Windsor, Ont) and brought it (50-185 m1) back. With the crappy exchange and the non-refundable 8% PST and the 3% duty, I paid around $760 US. About a $75 premium. I just didn't want to wait another 3 or 4 months to start making sawdust.
I wanted the 52" but I'm glad I got the 30" rails, it fits in my shop nicely.

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Hi Ed, I guess things have changed. At one time you could get a form (PST) at CDN customs which you would submit to the provincial government for reimbursement. JG
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Ontario has two taxes, 8% PST and 7% GST. Only the 8% PST is refundable and only on purchases of $200.00CND or more. But, if I had bought in Michigan I would have had to pay the 6% sales tax. I forgot to mention the 1.5% charge the credit card company laid on the currency exchange. I'm still glad I did it.

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Get teh 52in unless you are tight on space for the saw
Figure the 52in fench will add approx 22inches in WIDTH to the saw compared to the 30in fence
John
On 6 Feb 2004 10:50:03 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@charter.net (Bruce) wrote:

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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:50:03 -0600, Bruce wrote

I only wish my General 650 was here in a week. The only General dealer is 100 miles from me, and he ordered the thing 4 weeks ago. Talked to him on Friday afternoon and he promised he would call to find out where it is (my guess ... "somewhere between Quebec and Texas"...) ;-)
Wayne
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Hi,
I have the General International 50-185 left tilt with 30" fence.
The saw with the rails installed is 60" wide (long) and 32" deep. I think you will be very happy with this saw. I can do the "nickel" test with the saw running on a mobile base on a concrete floor.
Carter
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I drove 200 miles last weekend to Hartville Tool in Hartville OH to pickup my 50-185. This weekend, they have a tool sale. I negotiated (grovelled?) for an advance on the sale last week. They were kind enough to give it to me. I will be back for more stuff from them as a result!
Anyway, I got the saw for $599 + tax. I'm so glad I took those negotiation classes!
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