Fluorescent Lighting for Shop/Garage

[Larry Jaques]

Nah. It lives in infamy in Wreck memories everywhere(?), as well as Google's lobotomized DejaVu history files.

-- Woe be to him that reads but one book. -- George Herbert

[Martin Eastburn]

What I did over my wood lathe and metal lathe - create a wood box and put a bright headlight into it. Then Slave a 12V a.c. transformer to them and turn on the light. Nice spot on the work area.

Lasts a long time - designed for it. Bright. Replaceable. Easy.

Mart> >

[Leon]

?What color are your walls, ceiling, and floor painted? ?If they're not all white, they're sucking up lots of lumens.

White for the walls, the concrete floor is light grey and the ceiling is light beige.

[Bill]

Well, now I have 3 fixtures and new bulbs like Leon has, I think (GE,

32w, 5000K, 2800 Lumens). So I'm going to assemble one of the biggest sawhorsies you ever saw, using "old-style sawhorse hinges and full-length tubafours spanned by an 8' tubafour. We (I) will find out, whether 3 fixtures in the span of 8 feet produces "too much" light or not!!! : ) Better to find out now, than after the fixtures are screwed down. Larry recommended an experiment of this sort back when there was snow on the ground but it's hard for me to keep up with him. ; ) I hope he's got his cantilevered-roof project completed by now...

In a startlingly-related domestic item, today my wife brought home some sort of laserbeam shooter to help put up drapes. I thought (*click*)--that's just what I need to use to help get my fixtures lined up (in rows and columns) like "ducks in a row"! I had been planning to stretch some twine I have. Question: Are there any techniques that go along with this sort of technology to insure right angles? I expect eye-balling it will give me decent results. I thought to put the 3 fixtures across the middle of the ceiling first, and then put 3 more on each side of them (making a 3 by 3 grid). Larry will probably say I've over-thought it, but I think my approach will produce better results than if I just worked from one row to the next.

It seemed to go from 50 degrees to 85 degree very quickly in my locale (IN). Plenty warm enough for joint compound to set now! : )

The remarkable phenomenon to me, that I've already experienced a few times in the last few days, and I sort of forgot about since last summer, is how once I get started on the work--say even by just moving stuff around, something else kicks in and takes over and it doesn't seem as much like work.

I was thinking about this while driving today. Surely influenced by my recent reading of the book "Shop Class as Soulcraft" (Matthew Crawford). The phenomenon may have something to do with the personal process of changing physical stuff. Jokingly I thought (yeah, I tell jokes to myself...), even if you miss the nail and hit your finger with the hammer, it may be more satisfying than if you never had a chance to swing the hammer. In earlier years, I earned several blood blisters...lol..none lately. Surely, I just cursed myself... : )

Bill

[Leon]

Well, now I have 3 fixtures and new bulbs like Leon has, I think (GE,

32w, 5000K, 2800 Lumens). So I'm going to assemble one of the biggest sawhorsies you ever saw, using "old-style sawhorse hinges and full-length tubafours spanned by an 8' tubafour. We (I) will find out, whether 3 fixtures in the span of 8 feet produces "too much" light or not!!! : ) Better to find out now, than after the fixtures are screwed down. Larry recommended an experiment of this sort back when there was snow on the ground but it's hard for me to keep up with him. ; ) I hope he's got his cantilevered-roof project completed by now...

How about screwing in a simple eye-bolt or hook and attach the fixture's with some string hanging from the hook, to see how they are going to work.

In a startlingly-related domestic item, today my wife brought home some sort of laserbeam shooter to help put up drapes. I thought (*click*)--that's just what I need to use to help get my fixtures lined up (in rows and columns) like "ducks in a row"! I had been planning to stretch some twine I have. Question: Are there any techniques that go along with this sort of technology to insure right angles? I expect eye-balling it will give me decent results. I thought to put the 3 fixtures across the middle of the ceiling first, and then put 3 more on each side of them (making a 3 by 3 grid). Larry will probably say I've over-thought it, but I think my approach will produce better results than if I just worked from one row to the next.

I simply looked at which direction the ceiling joists ran and used a stack of rare earth magnets to locate them. I measured from the wall to insure that the fixtures were parallel to a wall.

It seemed to go from 50 degrees to 85 degree very quickly in my locale (IN). Plenty warm enough for joint compound to set now! : )

Oh keep in mind that these lamps will take a short period of time to come up to full brightness in cool weather.

The remarkable phenomenon to me, that I've already experienced a few times in the last few days, and I sort of forgot about since last summer, is how once I get started on the work--say even by just moving stuff around, something else kicks in and takes over and it doesn't seem as much like work.

I was thinking about this while driving today. Surely influenced by my recent reading of the book "Shop Class as Soulcraft" (Matthew Crawford). The phenomenon may have something to do with the personal process of changing physical stuff. Jokingly I thought (yeah, I tell jokes to myself...), even if you miss the nail and hit your finger with the hammer, it may be more satisfying than if you never had a chance to swing the hammer. In earlier years, I earned several blood blisters...lol..none lately. Surely, I just cursed myself... : )

Bill

[dadiOH]

After experiencing other places, I came to the conclusion that Indiana isn't habitable until June. Which is why I left. Even June wasn't fail safe as I recall snow flurries in June while riding a bike home at the close of school.

[Lew Hodgett]

---------------------------------- But summers are GREAT, both days of it, July 4th AND July 5th.

Lew

[Larry Jaques]

HUH? The last "roof" I did was the PT and steel roofing over my 8x12' patio.

If she didn't get you a Straitline Intersect (or equiv) have her go do the right thing. If you want to shoot perpendicular lines, you need a

2-line laser. or 5-line? Bill, a 42-line laser, is in the works. Patience, please.

If it ain't thunk, rethunk, double-rethunk, tossed around, batted back and forth, laid up, drawn out, and hammered into place at least 'lebenty seven times, Bill wasn't there. He's a glue and brad and belt and suspenders and chain and tape and string kind of guy. ;) But he does nice work.

That's called "focus". It's what's called A Good Thing(tm).

I'll have to start that again some day soon. You really have to pay attention to him to "get it".

-- Woe be to him that reads but one book. -- George Herbert

[Bill]

Yep, that's the project I meant. Has that project been signed-off on yet?

I think I'll have to get by with one laser and a framing square--or like Leon said, measuring from a wall. I don't trust my walls as much as I do a laser though. Unfortunately, my mom gave away my dad's transit (it had no laser)..lol, I have his slide rule! ;)

LOL...Gosh, can I put you down as a reference? I believe from indirectly-related experience that design and development is a "circular" process (not that many contractors would probably care to admit it). James Krenov probably used a spherical process! ;) I'm pleased that you are willing to give me credit for doing "nice work" even though I haven't provided you with many samples. My neighbor, a plumber, told me his reputation is on the line on every piece of work he does. As one of my harshest critics, I think LH is even tougher! :) Who ya gonna call? --the guy who just hammers it up there (he, coincidentally, used to live where I do now), or the guys who shows you a few SketchUp models first (Swingman and Leon)? : ) You may have heard the analogy that begins, "Quality is like buying oats, if you want nice clean, fresh oats...".

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IMO, Those parts are the best parts of the book, in particular where he has included thoughtful excerpts from the works of other scholars. I thought some of the middle chapters contained an awful lot of "padding", but I think the book began and ended strong. As an academic with such strong credentials, I thought he should have known to cut, re-cut, double-cut and edit again much of what he had written for the sake of a better book. Unfortunately, he probably came under the pressure of satisfying a publishers ideals (certain number of pages, etc). As someone who has reviewed more than one book, IMO, I think I could have helped make this one better. The publisher may have figured the difference wouldn't sell any more copies... I guess that's part of publication in the 21st century. By most measures, the book was darn successful! You, or even I, could probably take the word "focus" from your previous post, and embellish around it to a very insightful new chapter, more interesting than some extant in the book!

Bill

[Larry Jaques]

Oh, yeah, months ago. I had a couple days without rain and gat 'er dun.

I want pictures if you decide to try the slipstick method. Color pics!

You're right. I take it back.

I first heard that in the mid '70s when I was a QA inspector.

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I got a dozen pages in and found my mind wandering so I put it back on the shelf. When I'm done with W.E.B. Griffin's _The Corps_ tomes, I may pick it back up. (I have 3.5 to go.)

I'll address that once I've read the book. Remind me, won't you?

-- If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

[Bill]

Wow! Did you serve in the marines?

Bill

[Bill]

I wondered once what folks thought of me here. Now I have the answer, and I could not have guessed. I'm glad you included "hammered", because I am known for hammering things down real good so they don't get away! lol

[Larry Jaques]

No, I lucked out of service in Vietnam by moving back from school in AZ to home in CA. The CA draft board was full up when I got back. I was an Air Force brat. Dad retired after his lifer term +6 was up.

But I got hooked on Griffin when a friend recommended the President's Agent books. They were so good, I started the Corps series. I'll probably continue on with the Badge of Honor series, too. Our library has only the books on tape for the Brotherhood of War series. This guy has written over forty books. I finished the entire Louis L'Amour set a few months ago, along with some McMurtry and Elmer Kelton.

With no television to infect me, I get more projects done and read lots of books for fun. I have an entire 3x7' bookshelf as an inbox for gardening, DIY, sci-fi, western, military fiction, woodworking, and metalworking books. Slowly but surely...

-- If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

[Larry Jaques]

We gotcher number, boy. ;)

-- If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

[Max]

"Larry Jaques" wrote

Have you read any by Cormac McCarthy?

I've enjoyed them all.

Max

[Bill]

That Griffin guy must write dern good! Come on now, is military fiction really better than a "Rocky" movie? ;)

I enjoy trying to keep up with my inbox too. Aren't you working on your musicianship too? We have been discussing the idea of dropping Comcast cable-tv service in our household (when our introductory "triple-play discount" runs out soon). That doesn't mean that we'd be television-free though. I just recently started exploring my options. I could get by well-enough with MSNBC and PBS. Throw in a local network for weather and JJ, and everyone is basically happy. I'll see if you can guess what JJ stands for.

Bill

[J. Clarke]

I have no idea what "JJ" is but for weather there are several web sites that do as good a job on local forecasts as your average TV weatherman. "Weather Underground" is one--.

For entertainment programming, between Hulu and the various networks' Web sites you can see most shows without paying for them, but you will have to sit through ads.

[Bill]

J. Clarke wrote: We have been discussing the idea of dropping Comcast

Thanks, it looks like Weather Underground will meet all of my weather info needs, and then some. As Comcast has been raises my rates, with predictable regularity, it will give me some satisfaction to "downgrade my service". That is a phrase they repeated to me over and over the last time I asked them to remove a "feature" I didn't use. I muse that they changed the name of their service from "Comcast" to "Xfinity" because the former one had too much brand recognition!--or maybe their new goal is to raise their prices to Xfinity! ; ) For me, and probably lots of folks here, The WoodWright Shop is near the top of my entertainment programming--and the mention of this ensures that my post contains ww content!

Bill

[Robert Bonomi]

*NOBODY* with even half a bran would repeat that story.

[Bill]

Robert,

I prefaced by saying it was a "bad joke". I am unable to take credit for it. I'm glad you enjoyed it for what it was! I'll try to make it up to you... Here's another joke for your consideration:

There was a family of 3 moles living underground, as they do, sort of reminiscent of "The 3 Bears". The papa mole went to the top of their hole, and said "Emmm, I smell pancakes!" The momma mole went up their too and "Yeah, I smell pancakes too." The baby mole trying to squeeze through to get a whiff, cried instead "All I can smell is molasses!" (think about it)

Bill