well are ya
i hope for the sake of some vigorous discussion here that a non-festool
owner wins and can report back here
will the winner convert completely over to festool if they win one
will they join the ranks of other festool owners and extol the virtues
of festool forevermore
will they provide a teardown revealing all
will they just remind us frequently that they won and we did not
will they chastise me for posting this because they secretly really really
really want a festool and do not want the sweepstakes to be known
Interesting enough, many many woodworkers have been creating and
performing within their hobbies and/or profession for many many years
prior to Festool. Somehow I believe they will still get along well if
they still don't have one.
As with many other products, just another overrated money grabbing
device to help make the CEOs wealthier. I'm sure their tools have some
advantages, but they aren't the Holy Grail of the woodworking industry, IMO.
Does you shirt fit with that chip on your shoulder?
Yes, Festool is high priced. Is it worth the money? Subjective.
Cameras, golf clubs, stereo components, cars, tools, they have one thing
in common. As the price goes up, the value starts to slide. Twice the
price is not twice as good. Cars usually come it two or three levels of
trim. As the price goes up, the value goes up but not as much. My
choice is to buy the top level because I like all the goodies and I'm
willing to pay for it. Maybe you are not. We have choices.
Yes, most companies do make more profit, but you may be enjoying some of
it., If you own stock, have a 401k, Mutual fund or IRA chances are you
are part of the stock market and are benefiting from the company profit.
Unless you have actually used one and have done the comparison yourself,
it just sounds like sour grapes to knock it or the price of it.
You knock me for stating a fact when you prove that fact by your
statement of "as the price goes up, the value starts to slide". SO
which is it, chip on my shoulder or, we'll call it, factual observation?
You are correct, you want to pay top dollar, that's your choice. I have
paid top dollar for many products throughout the years. Some have
impressed me, many have not. I have accomplished many tasks using a
lower cost item (Harbor Freight debate comes to mind) for both hobby and
profession with no complaints. You want to call it a chip even with your
contradiction, so be it. I call it reality, because that's really what
I didn't say it was overrated and a money grabbing device to make a CEO
wealthier. That is the chip.
No contradiction. My statement was the value/price equation, not the
negativity of a money grabbing overrated tool. It performs well, as
advertised. I buy if it has value to me and not a consideration of the
salary of the CEO
I don't base my buying decision on the overpaid salary of CEOs,
otherwise I'd do all my shopping at HF, it's just a fact to point out
when a tool brand is twice as much as it's competition which do the job
just as well, if not better.
Absolutely, same can be said about those that do it with out Ryobi,
Porter Cable, Fein, Bosch, and or any other brand that might be priced
above their comfort level or need.
But the unique difference between a hobbyist and a pro is the ability to
make a profit. Business being, "managed properly", the better value
tools, often more expensive, are the better choices.
That same difference works both ways. A hobbyist doesn't have to
justify his expense on profit. "I want" stands on its own. My
justification for buying the "best" is that it only hurts once. In
the past, I've upgraded the same tool a number of times. That's not
going to happen anymore.
blasphemy!!! Infidel!!! Also interesting is much of the greatest
woodworking was done not just before Festool, but before electricity.
I look at it like photography. You can have a $30,000 camera and gear
and take crap pictures, and a pocket camera and take great pictures.
Wood work is similar, in that it's the design more than the process. If
you have good design, building the thing matters not if it's festool, HF
or anything in between.
CEO's want money, nothing wrong with that, it's what keeps Festool,
Harbor Freight and everyone in between working.
>I'm sure their tools have some advantages, but they aren't the Holy
>Grail of the woodworking industry, IMO.
I agree 100% with this.
HF's stick is cheap, Festools stick is expensive. Normally, the best
bang for the buck is somewhere in between. Is there a difference
between a $100 ridged shop vac and a $700 Festool shop vac? I would
hope so, but do you really need those things?. If you are a contractor
with lots of people using your tools, you don't want to take out a loan
every time a drill or saw gets legs, or dropped 10 stories onto a side
walk. You also don't want something that breaks every few hours of
abuse, so you buy good quality at a reasonable price.
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
Can we get a review of that hammer? List price? Where does it get the
It takes a revolutionary manufacturer like Festool to come out with a
tool that can be operated with no electricity or compressed air.
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