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On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:36:45 +0000 (GMT), Stuart

Of course Stuart, never in your life have you shown off a new tool to a friend. Besides that, most of us are using these tools alone in a workshop. There's really not much showing off.

And by saying that, you've completely missed the point of what many of us are trying to tell you. That's the fact that you can't do the same job with your Trend or DeWalt. When you add up the dust collection, the ease of use and the added capability, those other tools don't compare.
I know what you naysayers are really thinking. You're afraid that if you go to one of the free demo days that Festool dealers put on, you'll like a Festool so much you'll end up buying it. Admit it guys. You're afraid of joining the club and being razzed for spending so much.
It's either that or we current Festool owners are so embarrassed by our spending so much money that we want to draw you guys in to so we don't feel so bad. Is that it? You think we're a bunch of misery loves company tool owners? :)
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On 2/3/2012 7:31 AM, Dave wrote:

Every thing is relative. You can not understand what you don't know.

I certainly would not buy a DeWalt if I only needed to drill ONE hole. That would be showing off. Again it is all relative. You buy the tools that suite your needs.

And Larry will never let you hear the end of it. He who rubs two sticks together to start his fires. :~)

No, it is not that, it is lonely at the top. LOL
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On 2/1/2012 5:46 PM, David Paste wrote:

If you are a hobbyist, the price will look high unless you appreciate quality and a tool that will last.
If you are a pro and or make a living with your tools you will find that the price is reasonable.
Festool is one of a few manufacturers that has enough pride in what it does to actually design and manufacture the product themselves. Naturally they know what they are doing, know how to build a tool, and that is going to cost more money than buying a "clone tool" made in China.
Where time is money, Festool delivers top quality results in less time.
Imagine cutting 200 "clean precision sized" mortises. Now imagine doing them in less than an hour.
Imagine sanding with a belt sander. Now imagine sanding with a finish sander that will sand as fast as a belt sander with no dust and little noise by comparison.
Imagine building fine furniture and making your cuts with a circular saw. Now imagine a circular saw the cuts as good as a cabinet table saw, makes plunge cuts, puts a fine straight edge on a board faster than a jointer, and contains 95% of the saw dust.
Imagine a shop vac. Now imagine a dust extractor that has a hepa filter, so quiet that you cannot hear it running when working with a connected power tool, and allows you to stack all of your power tools in top.
Imagine a cordless drill. Now imagine one that does not rattle and clatter when you have reached the desired torque setting but simply stops turning and sounds a tone to indicate that you have reached the desired torque setting and will not continue until you release and pull the trigger again, one that has a right angle, eccentric, quick change chuck for drivers, and will continue to run if you drop it in a bucket of water.
I witness this every time I use these tools.
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Leon,
Sounds like you could be supplementing your income by being a copy writer for Festool. ;~)
One of my local associates, whom has a commercial shop, has a shelf unit full of Festool in his shop. I recently saw him sell off some Dewalt tools... Seems he found the same things you did...
John
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On 2/2/2012 8:40 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

LOL I should send that in to Festool!
On a serious note though I was never really aware of Festool, not on the radar.
Then one day many years ago, 6 or 7, Robatoy showed me a link to the German Festool site, all in German, that showed a video of a tool for creating mortises. And at that time he was going on and on and on about this Rotex, feminine product sounding name, sander.
When the Domino was introduced here, in English but not yet available, I decided I was going to buy one. Ah but you need to use a vac with it and my days of listening to the inexpensive shop vac's were over so I bought the Festool CT22 dust extractor and the Domino assortment. I dropped major money on those three items.
Damn, the vac worked much better than expected and it was quiet. These tools are great and fast!
A year later came the Rotex sander, several months later small finish sander. No more dust!
Christmas two years ago Swingman got the bug and was "bad sick" with Festool need. He bought the CT22 dust extractor, T75 Track saw, accessory kit, other tracks, Rotex sander and finish sander.
I tried his track saw and WOW. Four months later I added the Festool TS75 track saw and an extra track.
Last Christmas I added the T15-3 Festool Drill.
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And, there you have it folks! The start of the Leon/Swingman middle of the street daily tool swap.
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On 2/2/2012 7:35 PM, Dave wrote:

He let me touche it. Two times! ;~)
THE SAW!
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On 2/2/2012 7:35 PM, Dave wrote:

Yabbut, he won't let me toush his new drill, man!
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On 2/2/2012 7:42 PM, Swingman wrote:

You den says you wan'ed to toush it.
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Yes, I'd use my horizontal morticer, or benchtop morticer or if I had one, a chain morticer. None of which cost as much as the Domino (well the chain morticer would have to have been a used model, of course).

Don't have one, never needed one. Now a wide-belt sander or good drum sander on the other hand ...

How about a card scraper, #80, #81 or #112? Or a PC 7336 6" right-angle ROS with dust collection kit if you must use power?

These two thoughts don't go together.

But if I already have a jointer, cabinet saw, and a dust collector, why do I need this?

Sure as hell aint worth the extra USD700 over a Dewalt 18V.

That's nice, but still you've given me no reason to purchase the festool stuff. I haven't seen it in the pro cabinet shops that I frequent, either.
scott
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On 2/2/2012 12:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Go time yourself and cut 200 1/4" by 1" by 1" mortices with any of the tools that would cost less than a Domino.
Then how long will it take to cut the 100 tenons to fit precicely with no play?
I am not buying it just considering cutting the mortises.

Given enough time you can sand anything to conform with a block of wood and sand paper.

If you are into that kind of thing and have plenty of time. I have the older version of the PC 7336 right angle sander. I used it from 1989 until about 3 years ago. It was a very good sander. The Rotex was the first right angle sander that I saw that was significantly better.

I use mine to cut sheets of plywood to finish sizes by myself. I use mine to cut odd angle and taper cuts that are difficult at best on a TS. It makes life easier.

Well I only paid about $350 more that a DeWalt. New mine was is only $575. Not sure where you are getting your pricing. But does did your DeWalt have the right angle attachment, eccentric and quick drive change attachment?

Well Scott I am not trying to sell you on buying Festool, I simply stated why I bought Festool and how it is a benefit to me.
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On 2/2/2012 1:14 PM, Leon wrote:

As someone other than a hobbyist, I'll buy a tool any day that in ten years will have cost you less than $5/month, and you're still good to go for another ten, and more.
Festool's not for everyone ... until you experience what owning a Festool can do for making you money, most simply won't "get it".
Hell, the Festool _dust collection_ ability alone has literally saved me enough in _onsite dust control measures_ to easily pay for the rest of my Festool aresenal five times over.
You bet I can justify owning Festool ... at twice the price if necessary.
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When I first got the Rotek sander it threw me for a loop. I was used to judging how much had been done by the sawdust. I had to keep checking to be sure it was sanding because there wasn't any sawdust.
Mike M
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On 2/2/2012 4:00 PM, Mike M wrote:

LOL I just got through mentioning that about the Festool detail sander.
I did not have as much trouble with the Rotex which I got first as it is relative easy to see the progress on the work. Going to a finish sander where you are not reshaping so to speak really concerned me.
AND THE PAPER! It seldom looks worn out, I had to learn to give it a finger feel on a regular basis.
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On 02/02/2012 05:10 PM, Leon wrote:

Did you wear one of those festering proctologist gloves?
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On 2/2/2012 9:55 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

Noo000000ooooooo. I did not have to insert my finger, merely stroke it. ;~)
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You make a habit of dropping your tools in water <g>
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On 2/3/2012 4:29 AM, Stuart wrote:

No, just the drill. ;~) There is a Festool video that shows it submerged in water and then run afterwards to drive screws. Youtube
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On 2/3/2012 7:09 AM, Leon wrote:

any tool will do that. Electric items are not nearly as sensitive to water as people would like to think. My dewalts (and my cheap skil circ saw) have spent many a rain storm in the back of the truck.
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