If the 2-4X the cost of a good quality tool wasn't enough for you, here's a
heads up on the upcoming Festool price increase. This, according to a recent
message from McFeely's.
You may want to look at some of the closeout items that appear at times when
new products are introduced. I picked up a PS-2 jigsaw that way and am very
pleased with it. Very smooth cuts and easy to use.
My point, if I have one, is once you go beyond some price for a given thing you
are no longer paying for an increase in quality. As a carpenter I've used
Bosch, Makita, DeWalt, Ryobi, Rigid, Craftsman, Porter Cable and others. Some
are better than others and in general the better once cost some more. But from
what I've seen there is not enough improvement in Festool to justify costing so
much more than what else is out there. That is why I asked for opinions from
those who have used them.
Peter Bogiatzidis wrote:
Well the Festool line of tools are not what I could consider "carpenter
tools". Carpenters generally don't require the precision unless they are
getting into built in cabinets. With the Festool line one could get closer
to furniture grade wood working and maybe with out the need or a TS or RAS.
The way you are speaking it seems that you have not actually used a Festool
tool. For the most part Festool is not so much the single tool as much as
it is a system that permits sawing, sanding, or routing inside someone's
home. In addition to the perceived limited increase in quality that you
mention the tools tend to out perform as well.
I thought I said I had not used them. And I have done built in cabinets and
worked on million dollar houses. In my experience a top quality blade and good
straight edge makes more difference than brand of tool if there is a minimum
level of quality. Bosch, Rigid, Makita, Porter Cable and DeWalt generally meet
that minimum quality. Older Craftsman do as well. The rest is the skill of the
user and I don't see any improvement short of a panel saw that will compensate
I'm not trying to run down Festool even if it may seem that way, I'm just trying
to understand the expense of the tool, is there that much bang for the buck?
You have received many answers to question about bang for you buck. Those
of us that own the tool feel that the price is justified. You apparently
are still having a hard time understanding the value through questions and
answers. I'll suggest once again that you put your hands on one an try it
out. There is a 30 money back guarantee so the risk is minimal. Go to
your local dealer for a hands on demonstration.
The quality increase, relative to dollars spent, seems to be
Is a Festool worth the money? Absolutely.
It all has to do with what a tool is worth to you. If you have the
damn thing in your hands all day, and you want consistent and reliable
results, what is an extra couple of hundred dollars over the life-time
of the tool?
Having said that (Strunk & White roll over in their graves every time
somebody say that, btw) I don't believe that ALL Festool tools are
worth their premium. The Bosch jigsaw comes to mind, so do misc.
cordless drills/drivers. Nice, but too rich for my blood.
Plunge saws and sanders, and even that # 2000 router, well, there
simply isn't anything that compares.
You seem to be missing the obvious point of what makes Festool
different. A Bosch, DeWalt, Porter Cable, Makita, Milwaukee, Hitachi,
Skil, Sears, Black&Decker, etc. circular saw all look alike and act
alike. They are all interchangeable. Spray paint them all the same
color and you cannot tell one from the other. If you put the Festool
circular saw next to the ones above, and it is different. It looks
different. Its used differently. It handles differently. Its still
callled a circular saw but that is about its only thing in common with
the above list of saws. It comes with a guide and is built to use
that guide. It comes ready for dust collection. It has soft start
motor. It has electronics that keep the rpm constant. It has various
speed levels for different blades and material being cut. It has a
pluge mechanism to make blind cuts. None of the saws in the list
above have these features. Some of the other Festool tools have
similar amounts of difference from their common namesake tools from
the manufacturers you listed. Some Festool are very similar to the
general tools and have very little feature differences. The saws and
Domino are probably the most different tools.
Festool has dealers all over the US. You'll have to try one to know
if its worth it.
Wee geez r payne. Be more specific. Most any tool can be had that is ready
with dust collection, soft start, ESC and or variable speed.
Might I add the stunning black color highlighted by the green knobs and
Just kidding. Really, these tools don't leave any features out that I can
think of. If there is a particular tool that you want to know about it may
be easier to answer your questions. Most every Festool has 1 or more unique
features that stand out from the competition.
OK, now I am ordering you to take a couple of hours off and look at the
array of tools that you dealer will have. It is eye candy galore and you
will be saying geeeee, those are cool features. ;~)
There is one dealer in town, all other dealers would take most of a day to drive
and visit. I was there for a bit just before i started this thread, but after
standing in front of the display and handling the tools for maybe 20 minutes all
I could say was "they have some nice features but I don't see twice the cost".
And during all that time no one came over to answer any questions I may have or
offer a demo. From what has been posted there may be some new innovations and
new innovations always cost more. So I think I'll wait a couple of years and
see what happens in the market. Although I sounds like what I would try to
design if I was to build one.
It's interesting isn't it? When I first
saw the Festools advertised, I thought,
oh how pretty and didn't give them a
second thought. I wasn't even aware of
the price differential until a few guys
in here started talking about them.
Other than price, I never heard a
contrary word about any Festool that
was under discussion. Now, they seem to
be well on their way to establishing
industry standards at the high-end,
replacing what most people had faith in
for years: DeWalt and PC.
I really don't have the cash to drop
down on even one of these beauties and I
don't think my skill level warrants one,
but what impresses me the most is the
reviews that have been on the Wreck by
some craftsmen that are very hard to
please; Swing, Leon, charlieb, etc. That
brand is now fixed in my mind as
something to attain to
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:18:16 +0000, r payne wrote:
That bothers me. I hope it wasn't a Woodcraft store. I can assure you
that wouldn't happen in the Woodcraft where I work. We've got some
employees who are so sold on Festool that they get positively gleeful at
the opportunity to show them off :-).
No it wasn't Woodcraft. I wish there was a Woodcraft store close enought to go
This one is a local store owned by a fellow I've had some other dealings with
though it is the closest thing to a woodworking tool store less than an hours
it wouldn't bother me if it was gone.
LOL, I have a brand new Woodcraft store near me that has the full array of
Festool equipment. Every time I mention Festool they direct me to the
display and start showing me the Domino. I have to remind them that I have
had a Domino longer than their store has been existence. And then they
That really isn't true with most Festool items.
Even though I think Systainers are overpriced, every Festool _tool_
I've tried really has been far above the competition. The guys who
use them all day long for a living, and were nice enough to let me, a
part timer try them, also learned of them on job sites where someone
let them try them. There is a 30 day, no questions asked satisfaction
guarantee on Festool products.
In the flying community, Bose communication headsets often draw the
same comments from folks who haven't used them. Hype! Pretentious! A
$1000 headset? etc... Bose also offers a 30 day guarantee. While
most folks with a musical ear will agree that Bose stereo equipment is
typically over-hyped and overpriced, I don't know of a pilot who's
ever returned a Bose aviation headset after actually flying with it
for the 30 day trial. I can say the same for Festool.
Next time you need a tool, try Festool. On the other hand, use any
other brand of tool for 30 days, as you normally would, and try to
return it. <G>
The good news is that markets aren't static. Festool will seriously
change the handheld power tool world, just as the cordless drill, the
biscuit joiner, and the nail gun did. Mark my words!
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