Like most other people I'm continually trying to find ways to improve the
dust situation in my small shop. Right now I have a King dust collector
installed with 4" piping to the tools that does a pretty good job (similar
to Delta/jet etc.). In their catalog, Lee Valley lists cyclone lids that
fit trash cans and from what they say I'm thinking it's an easier way to
"take out the garbage" plus I wouldn't have to empty/clean the collector
dust bags as often and it would mean an even more efficient system. On the
negative side it might mean more demand on the air suction to the collector.
Here's what they say:
"Capacity is a problem in every dust collection system, but particularly in
small shop systems. This cyclone lid will let you sidetrack up to 99% of
jointer/planer shavings and lesser amounts of fine dust (such as from
sanding) to a barrel or trashcan. It lets you convert a standard shop vacuum
into a high-capacity dust collector. In fact, if your shop vacuum draws 6
amps or more, you can use it with our dust collection network to power a
complete collection system. If you have a lower-powered vacuum (less than 6
amps), you can still use it with the cyclone on a single machine, such as a
I would use this with my current system between the trash can cyclone and
the input to the collector...... Has anyone tried this and if so, what do
you think ??
I'm a little confused by your plan. My understanding of the usual setup is that
people put one of these cyclone lids / trashcans between their dust collector
and their sawdust producing tool. Aside from allowing an easier way to dump
most of your waste, it protects your collector's impellor by snatching the chips
before they hit the impellor's blades. Only the finest of dust makes it to your
dust collector itself; the bulk of the sawdust ends up in the trashcan.
I'm actually seriously considering doing this myself. There are several deals
around for less than $300 that will provide between 1150-1500 cfm, a 1 micron
bag, and wired for either 110 or 220. Right now I'm trying to decide if I want
to bite the bullet and get an electrician to add more 220 service to the garage.
Added the trash can lid years ago. Doesn't reduce the capacity of the
system that I can tell and definitely makes disposal a lot nicer. Only
have to empty/clean the bags once in a blue moon.
(I also added the 0.5 micron bags. Wife is convinced it puts a lot less
dust into the house.)
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
I've got one on my system and it works reasonably well as long as the trash
can is less than 3/4 full after that a lot of the shavings etc get carried
over to the dust collector bag. Get a large plastic trash can you will get
a better seal between the lid and the can, the less air you have being
sucked around the lid the more efficient it will work. You still need to
dump the trash can into a bag for disposal which is a bit of a pain.
Before I got the lid the grate at the inlet to the impeller on the dust
collector was constantly getting plugged when I used the planer or jointer,
This doesn't happen any more.
I could not find a plastic can that was the right size so I ended up with a
traditional metal can. I did buy some basic rubber weather stripping w/
the adhesive backing and put that around the inside if the lid where it
meets the can. That makes a great seal - so good that I wait for the DC to
spin down before pulling off the top to check the contents.
I got mine from Grizzly for 2/3 the Lee Valley price -- $30 vs. $47 -- and
now Grizzly has its on sale for less than 1/2 the LV price - $20:
Even so, if I had it to do over again I might spring for the extra $$ for
the clear lid that Lee Valley sells. Then again, I may eventually make one
so that I can get the chips to fall into one of those stiff paper leaf/line
bags -- the kind that stand on their own. -- Igor
I line the trash can with a plastic bag. I was afraid it would get
sucked up into the DC. Doesn't happen. I have a steel band with a
spring loaded clamp around the side of the trash can which is galvanized
in my case. Plastic might give a better seal, I don't know. But the
bag stays down in the can and fills like you would want. You do want to
empty before it's too full or everything will pass right on through.
bob -- I tried a plastic bag w/ my grizzly lid over a 30 gal metal trash
can and the bag DID get sucked into the lid. I have an idea for a solution
but have not tried it yet. Whose/what brand cyclone lid do you have? --
Tried it and the bag immediately got sucked into the hose. Also tried the
weatherstripping that Igor mentioned and it seems to have improved the
suction. Oh well one suggestion worked for me and one didn't, still
I have a pair of the large cyclone lids (you can see the setup on
my web site at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/dust_collection.html )
and it works quite well. I haven't needed to empty the DC bag
since installation. (-:
How's that HF dust collector working for you? I heard good things about it
from other posts. I'm targeting that for my next tool purchase. Is it
quiet? Does it have good suction /volume?
It's my first and only dust collector - so I don't have much I
can compare it to. It's definitely more quiet than my ShopVac.
Its sole job is to eat the dust from a (really quiet) 5hp router
usually running between 90 and 150 inches/minute (depending on
bit, depth of cut, and material). I did a 3-1/2 hour continuous
cutting job on a single piece of MDF a while back with the shop
all closed up - and there wasn't even a detectable haze. I doubt
that's exceptional behavior; but I've been happy with the performance
One of the things I like most about my cobbled-up system is that
*nothing* gets as far as the dust collector - it all ends up in
the drums. FWIW, I empty the drums as soon as there's ten gallons
or so of dust inside. I understand that the fuller they're
allowed to become, the more dust will flow through to the DC.
I splurged to get the transparent cyclone lids and found that
makes it a lot easier for a lazy person like myself to check the
drums. For me, the clear tops have been worth the extra cost.
B'sides, it's fun to watch 'em in action. (-8
Thanks Morris -
I'm about 90% sure I'm going to get the HF. Can't beat the price!! I've
been using my shop vac, which really "sucks", but it's still a 2 1/2" hose,
and it doesn't work to well with my jointer that has a 4" port, even with a
reducer fitting. I think going 4" to 4" will improve things. I have the
clear cyclone lid on a 40 gal trash can, and it works good, but the airflow
is reduced off the shop vac (I'll have to get a new one for the 4" fitting).
Having a bigger unit like the HF dust collector will probably help that too.
Thanks again for your input!!
Yesterday's discussion finally got me off the dime: I ordered a 1.5 HP DC2V2
dust collector along with a cyclone lid, muffler, various fittings, etc.; even a
table saw overhead guard from Penn State Industries. Now all I have to do is
pay for it.
Film at 11....
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:56:50 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
Dr. Schnerd -- Don't want to prematurely rain on your parade, but there was
at least one thread some time back with people expressing disappointment
with the overhead guard from PS. I recall this because I had really wanted
to buy one. I'd appreciate your posting here about your experience w/ it.
I bought a PS DC and it sucks. I also use the trash can w/ cyclone lid
(see comments above in this thread, if interested). I have had switch
problems. The first switch stopped working -- it would flip back and forth
but not "engage" - regardless of the insertion of the kid-safety part.
They replaced it, no problem. While that one works, the snap-in fitting
was broken when it arrived - on my to-do list to get a third switch.
Now that I read your post again, not sure if the overhead guard is all you
bought from PS or if you got everything there. -- Igor
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:19:41 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
So I've heard.
Well, I think they do have a decent return policy! Anyway, be sure to run
the boom through its paces early on. (Sometimes the stuff I buy sits and I
then have to hope there is no problem because the warranty has lapsed by
the time I actually use the thing.) And, if you have good news about it to
report, I may well spring for one. You can be "Mikey" in the Life cereal
As I indicated, my experience with their support people is good - of
course, I would prefer not to know this. And, with a bit of luck, you
won't have to find out. -- Igor.
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:19:41 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
BTW, one other thing that you may know already: Did you get sale prices on
all the stuff you ordered? At the PS website if you go through the
"standard" links to the items you ordered the sale prices are not shown.
To see/get the sale prices you apparently have to get to the items via the
"web specials" link. For example, the price of the boom TS guard is $200,
but if you get to the item via the web specials page the price is currently
$150. The sale links are also the ones that come in the e-mail if you are
on the PS e-mail list. Again, you may know this but I thought it was worth
a mention. -- Igor
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