Tell that to the Chinese and the other developing nations -- whatever changes in our actions can realistically make will so far in the noise of their changes as to make no discernible difference.
Options are there, they're just not yet economically viable. When they become so, then they'll take off.
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The Tupelo facility is just an empty building, currently owned by Journal Enterprises a charitable arm of the local newspaper, who have it available for lease. All the machinery was auctioned off and the tooling scrapped out for the most part.
The rest of the tool group facilities were transferred to B & D when the business was sold. I've not fully kept up with that, but I believe the Oldham facility was closed and Biesemeyer in Mesa, AZ may be in the process. Jackson, TN, is still open but with an ever shifting charter.
Virtually impossible at this point, in my opinion. We continued to be successful before the consolidation/globalization because, among other factors, the invested capital was so low. The facility, machinery, and tooling were, for the most part fully depreciated but well maintained and continuously upgraded. Capital was spent only as necessary to maintain quality, improve efficiency and introduce new products. Which is how it should be.
It takes a tremendous range of equipment and tooling to be a full product line woodworking machinery manufacturer and the invested capital to start from nothing would be very large, and put the firm in an immediate position of being not competetive. While the market for the higher quality product was slowly but steadily growing when we were in operation, I believe the premium for product from a start up operation in the U. S. would be too high to be attractive.
Don't know, have not kept up with Saw Stop except for threads here relating to whether the technology should be mandated which I am not in favor of.
Frank
It is the fact that we over-consume that makes us vulnerable to making mistakes.
What you're looking for in gray iron castings is consistent adherence to specification for chemistry and mechanical properties. Castings vary by size and complexity of geometry and the best castings come from foundries that have specialized processes that perfectly fit the size and complexity. They are usually very large, high tonnage foundries and have multiple processes (Disamatic, match plate, cope and drag, etc.) or they specalize in just one process and one size range.
Small, product dedicated, foundries that try to do a full size range without the highly automated equipment for the smaller castings, or the overall pouring tonnage, find it difficult to compete. I think the McMinnville foundry fell into that category, although, I believe the foundry actually outlived the PM manufacturing facility. Delta had foundries in the past, closed them in favor of sourcing from the large specialists, improving quality and lowering cost.
I think they still assemble in the Nashville area, but source their parts from wherever. The contract facility that machines their tables, also makes the tables for the Unisaw. At least that's how it was a year or two ago.
The closing of their McMinville operations was sad. I had always considered them a worthy competitor with great products, not an import copycat company.
Frank
You probably know some/all of these guys:
I think there are some Delta/Guelph Canada people in there too.
We "found alternate solutions" more than 50 years ago. Right now they aren't economically attractive and aren't going to be economically attractive until the price of what we are using now rises to a point that is higher than the cost not only of the alternatives but of making the transition including building the necessary infrastructure.
In a life boat one hopes to be rescued or to reach land. We are not in a life boat, nobody is going to rescue us, there is no land to be reached.
By who, space aliens?
So what level of conservation to you want to require? Do you want to just ban SUVs? Then people who want big vehicles will start driving 2 ton trucks instead. Or city buses. Or something else that gives them the room that they want. Or do you think that I'm consuming excessively riding my 650 and want me to ride a Vespa instead?
Nahh, I'd have thought it was funny too. By the way, do you have a problem with pick up trucks or is it just SUVs?
Who is this "we" and what "mistakes" are "we vulnerable to making"? I see far more people starving in places where energy consumption is far lower than in the US than I do in the US. So seems to me that _they_ are the ones who are "vulnerable".
being told "please don't lean on that door, the hinges are white metal". The car was a Ferrari 250GTO and the "white metal" was an expensive aluminum alloy, not cheap zinc.
On Nov 26, 5:57 pm, "J. Clarke" wrote: Or do you think that I'm consuming
Actually, you are, aren't you? Enlighten us with your MPG numbers and carrying capacity.
John Martin
Yep, know them all. Not experienced with their product other than to look at it at shows, but the individuals behind the product are the best in the business as far as I'm concerned.
Frank
If you think that somebody who rides a motorcycle in the winter in New England is "consuming excessively" then you really, really do have a screw loose.
I believe including the former head of Delta, Canada, a fine individual.
Oh goody, we're talking about energy/fuel, now we have added herring...I mean food.. I mean lack of herring...food...red herrings... I'm all confused now. (That tactic is called ridiculing the opponent)
I'll get right on chasing that.
Try to stay on topic, John.
Still trying to steer the conversation, eh? And I was right again. You didn't understand why I broke out laughing when I saw a Lincoln pick-up truck. I had no problem with it. No problem with SUV's either.
But seeing that you've descended into the need to use strawmen and red herrings in your arguments, I will just just slam the door on this discussion as there is no hope of it becoming constructive.
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I figured it probably had been dispersed, unfortunately. It would be an interesting thought otherwise, though... :)
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I disagree that that is necessarily a "fact". An opinion, yes...
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I see, I thought we were talking about people living and dying, not about substances.
And you're evading the question.
You mean you laughed at it because it _wasn't_ funny? You is weird.
Then you might want to read the thread and see what the other person using your account has been posting under your name.
I see, so you say "I suppose it is a rich man's option to drive 3 ton behemoth, spewing insane amounts of sickening fumes into the faces of people who cannot do anything about that?" and then when pressed to further explain your views decide "I have no problem with SUVs" and take your ball and go home.
Since you decline to provide the numbers, let me guess. 40 - 45 MPG maybe? Or am I too high? The SUV with two or three aboard is actually a bit more effcient, no? Now, how about the 2.2 liter car with two or three aboard? Oh, wait - you always have a passenger on your motorcycle, right?
I'm not objecting to your gasoline consumption. Not at all. What I am objecting to is your implication that, by riding a 650 cc motorcycle rather than driving a car, you are more efficient than others. You're not.
In the winter in New England.... please tell me again who has the screw loose.
John Martin
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