... and the Delta tool line was one of those places that people were
willing to pay for that quality.
Now the consultants have been paid, the switch has been made such that
recovery to the pre-change state is most likely nearly impossible, and the
executives are left with a dwindling market in that segment with a high
return rate and higher warranty costs. You know what that means, right?
They are going to have to bring in some highly paid consultants to identify
the problems and get recommendations for turning things around.
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
There are very few modern Delta branded tools for which I'm willing to
pay a price premium, because it is almost all Chinese junk much like the
competition's. Why pay Delta prices for Grizzly quality?
There was a time 15-20 years ago when Delta was the top of the line
and brands like Jet were looked upon as crap. Now the situation has
reversed and you're getting the brands that were laughed at years ago
getting all the awards and traditionally respected brands losing out.
Indeed. This makes Delta/Porter-Cable's current attempt to reposition
itself as the brand of choice for "professional woodworkers" seem like
too-little, too late.
For a good laugh, check out the July 2007 press release:
These guys used to be the top of the food chain, but now are somewhere
in the middle.
As happened with Dewalt/Black&Decker talk about crap!!! I recently
bought a 45 YO Delta Unisaw and love it. Sold several other newer
Delta products at garage sale prices and was glad I didn't have to
haul them to the landfill.
The sad part is if you don't want to support China what are the
alternatives?? After they snubbed our navy even in "a port from storm"
which has never been done in the history of sailing ships will our
dipshit gov't limit imports....naw we are too STUPID to do
that!!!!!!!!!! It's the dollar folks, our gov't is selling us down the
You might want to look into the reasons that Matthew Perry visited
So how is keeping the prices of tools in the US higher than for the
rest of the world helping American industry to grow? If our prices
are the highest in the world we aren't going to be selling much on the
world market and face it, the US domestic market doesn't have a huge
amount of growth potential for durable goods.
I believe in a global economy...
Can't find a factory job making tools? Get a job selling, repairing,
advertising, or using them..
I remember folks used to give me shit for driving a Japanese truck instead of
I use to tell them that besides the fact that Ford is a major player in Madza, I
bought the truck from an American dealership... I'd also assume that it was
worked on, transported, resold, etc. by American companies with American
So, now I drive a Dodge truck that was made in the USA...
Of course, it was assembled in Mexico and Dodge is owned by a German company,
but it's "Made in USA"
Please remove splinters before emailing
Indeed people show a willingness to pay more for higher perceived
quality. Many folks buy a Honda or Toyota car for more money than the
GM, Ford or Chrysler car in the same segment and pay more for it. They
do so because they believe it is a higher quality product and for the
most part their beliefs are well founded.
Every year Toyota and Honda add to their US manufacturing base and do so
with great success. Honda and other Japanese companies have taken
command of the small engine and marine engine markets as well.
Most of these outsourcing decisions are made by overpaid MBA graduates
who only care about putting "accomplishments" on their resumes to
further pad the paychecks.
I literally looked at a 07 Tundra last afer looking at GMC and Chevrolet. I
have always owned GMC and Chev trucks and had a $6K+ incentive to go with
the GM products again. After driving GM I decided to not buy at all but
went a head and drove the Tundra because I had an appointment to do so. It
was a no brainer to choose the Tundra. The GM products were uncomfortable
amd the rear doors flexed and mooved while going over bumps.
The simple fact is, the US economy is no longer big on manufacturing. It is
no longer as profitable to over pay workers for a skill that 3rd world
countries can do. If they could not do the work we would not be buying
their products. If we want better we buy Japanese or European. Its the
Capitalistic way of doing business.
Until the US can deliver equal value or better the manufacturing jobs will
go to other countries. The manufacturing phase in this U.S. economy has
come and gone and I would imagine a lot of it is because of the large unions
that have negotiated workers benefits so much that the worker benefits more
from the production of products than the business does. It's a no brainer,
have your products built by a company that is not smothered by union labor.
One thing the foreign pickups don't have is a diesel. Last year I got a
used (57k miles) '04 Silverado 2500HD 6.6L Duramax regular cab full box
with the Allison transmission. The previous owner put a Banks exhaust
system on it. It is one towing machine for my 5th wheel! Gets 23mpg
highway and 13.5mpg towing (on a 4200 mile trip this last summer). It
was _very_ comfortable on that trip.
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:29:56 -0700, Doug Winterburn
Oddly enough, they sell them everywhere else but North America. Many
Tacomas are sold worldwide, as the Hilux, with diesel engines. The 4
liter gas V6 is a North America-only powerplant.
The pickup truck as we know it, is kind of an American novelty in
Everywhere I've been around the world, most light commercial trucks
are either Sprinter-style vans or small, 6 wheel diesel cabover
trucks, ala Mitsubishi or Hino. I've seen both with 4 wheel drive.
It's very rare to see something like our leather-encrusted, quad-cab,
chrome plated pickups. It's not that you wouldn't see NICE,
_EXPENSIVE_ vehicles around, just that they're usually cars. The rest
of the world seems to have a much more distinct line between truck and
car, and different tastes.
FWIW, Toyota is playing with a large dually diesel now:
It's got an 8.0 litre, inline-six turbo diesel. <G>
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:23:13 GMT, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
That's because Americans don't really like disesl. It's like looking
at the car market in the UK and Europe compared to the US. There are
tons of really nice, extremely gas-efficient cars made in Europe but
because they're not the size of a schoolbus, Americans won't drive
them. We bitch about gas heading for $5 a gallon, but we won't give
up our gas-guzzling SUVs. Go figure.
The biggest problem with Diesel in the US is passing the latest emission
standards. I have heard that many will have to use Urea injected some where
in the process and that is obtained from the dealer.
And there are (or at least were) some reasons for that -- noisier, odor,
harder starting in cold weather, relative limited fuel availability for
passenger cars (rather than commercial trucks), inexpensive gaoline,
etc., certainly played a role in there not being much of a significant
demand. More recently, it's been the EPA emission standards that apply
to passenger vehicles as opposed to trucks that are a hindrance.
I would wager if the fuel costs and distances in other parts of the
world, primarily Europe, had been similar that the similarities to US
vehicles would be far more than they are. As the saying goes,
"different time, different place".
Those of us that tow 5th wheel trailers love diesel power/torque and
mileage compared to gas. You can pretty much tell what's under the hood
when you come to a long uphill grade. My tow runs about 11,000 gross
with a 1200 lb hitch weight. Other than occasional light chucking, the
rear view mirror is the main indication something is behind the truck.
Maybe because we know there are answers other than driving glorified
bubbles powered by lawn mower engines? We have ample opportunity, shale
oil in the west, Anwar to the north, oil off of Florida before the Chinese
and Cubans suck it dry, etc. The reserves are there, but the will to
overcome the resistance to developing our own sources seems to be weak.
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
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