Disturbing Trend

It's called The Race To The Bottom, the bottom being The Bottom Line - for the next quarter, with quality spiraling down as The Bottom Line goes up, or at least stays the same.

Somewhere along the line some gnomes now referred to as Wall Street Analysts decide how much each business should make in profits over the next 90 days. If a business falls short of their projected / expected profits the business's stock price drops. Who these people are and how they got this economic power is a mystery. How they keep this power is also a mystery, given Enron etc.. And they've missed some really big ones - Charles Keating and his Savings & Loan Fiasco The Venerable Ronald Reagan Administration made possible. THAT ONE cost US taxpayers a HUGE chunk of change since S&L were Federaly Insured.

There was a time when people bought stock in a company for the annual dividends the stocks brought. Today it's more about speculation - read legalized gambling - that someone will pay more for the stock in the future than you paid to buy it. MicroSoft doesn't pay dividends - nor taxes for that matter - the latter having to do with "tax incentives" presumably intended to encourage "business" and written in to law by "our" representaives in Congress and the Senate.

The probelm with The Bottom Line is the Penny Saved Is A Penny Earned approach to making things. QC costs money - from The Bottom Line. So if buying crappy raw materials contributes to The Bottom Line - at least for the next quarter - then buy crappy raw materials. By the time the consumer discovers that the finished product is crappy - you've got his/her money and you've met The Wall Street Analysts' projected profits. Eventually you'll have to spend more money on advertising to try and persuade the consumer that you've got a New and Improved product - that's not as crappy as your competitors. And on, and on and on and on - to The Bottom.

(snapped the cast iron tool rest on my JET mini/midi lathe. took it to the woodworking show and held up the two parts in front of the JET rep - with a small crowd standing around watching. "My, that certainly shouldn't have happened. Take it back to where you bought it - along with your model number, serial number, receipt etc. and I'm sure they'll replace it - for free" he said. "How about if I just give you this one here and you give me the toolrest on this demo model JET mini/midi lathe so I DON"T HAVE TO SPEND MY TIME REPLACING YOUR DEFECTIVE PART WHICH HAS MADE THE JET PRODUCT I PAID FOR A USELESS, HEAVY, FLOOR SPACE WASTING CHUNK OF METAL!" - I "suggested". "I'm afraid I can't do that - sir. But I'm sure our distributor, from whom you purchased it, will be glad to replace it - at no charge." -said the rep, turning away to engage another potential customer, now retreating.)

charlie b

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charlie b
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You mean Lee Valley? ;-) Lie-Nielsen is out of Maine. (Which, having lived there for a short while, can be confused for Canada quite easily...)

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wood_newbie

Lee Valley is also an exception. Your right! Lie-Nielsen is in Maine - For some reason I thought it was Canadian. Phew - I feel better now~ My new LN chisel plane is sitting on my workbench - still in its box - time to break it out and see how well it works!

Dave

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Teamcasa

"Teamcasa" wrote in news:1147386211 snipped-for-privacy@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

They work at least as well as any other chisel plane. And they look GREAT, too!

I have one. It's a really nice decoration, 99% of the time.

Not the only tool I rarely use...

Patriarch

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Patriarch

Sorry Dave - I did not intend a tone that suggested naivety. Likewise - I would as well. I consistently pay a small premium just to buy locally, so I would equally pay something of a premium to buy domestic production as well.

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Mike Marlow

Ack, "New and Improve"-ing is the device and moniker by which those marginal profit gains are foisted on the unsuspecting buyer.

I've eaten breakfast cereal and wiped my bum long enough to've seen this happen in many industries.

er

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Enoch Root

No problem Mike - Now out to the shop for me!

Dave

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Teamcasa

But when ya need it - ya need it!

Dave

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Teamcasa

That sucks to hear that!

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B A R R Y

Lie Nielsen is in Maine, which is in the US, albeit barely.

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B A R R Y

Which Veritas tools are you referring to?

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B A R R Y

Their forstner bits, striking knife, and sliding bevel (4") were all big disappointments. The forstner bits were horribly machined and wouldn't drill flat-bottomed holes, the striking knife snapped under very very nominal pressure within the first week, and the sliding bevel won't hold it's setting no matter how tight you make it.

Their Mk. II honing guide is fantastic for plane blades, but only marginal at best for chisels, especially if the chisel has a high taper angle from the tang to the tip...it won't hold these at all without a shim, which can then present problems with the chisel shifting.

I can't begin to emphasize again though how wonderful their hand planes are. This is where Veritas really excels.

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wood_newbie

Nope, you don't know the story. Sunhill has gone quite a way to make me happy. This fence problem wasn't the first issue with this jointer. They have sent me two jointers and picked one up at their own expense. They have sent me two free extra sets of knives and a free mobile base just for my trouble. They didn't want the first fence back and if this one had a problem I'm pretty sure they would send me another one free of charge. They've been nothing but nice to me so far and everything they've sent me was without me having to bitch too loudly or even ask for. Well, except for the intial purchase of course. This is their brand of jointer but it was probably built right along side the Grizzly and other brands in Taiwan only with slightly different options.

Funny you should mention that...There were these nice and shiny metal, "Stickers" with the, "Sunhill" name slapped on both the base and beds of the jointer. Both of them were stuck on ridiculously crooked. I'm not much of a label guy and I'd just as soon have everything I've ever bought come without a label or name plate so I had no problem peeling off the stickers. Obviously, somebody at the label station at the factory in Taiwan was having a bad day. I'm quite happy with the jointer now as it works beautifully with very little effort but I'll have to carefully consider another purchase from Sunhill.

By the way, anyone want to buy the beefiest mobile base made for an 8" jointer? $50 plus shipping. Unused still in the box. I think Sunhill wants $80 plus shipping. I built my own because I needed the jointer at an exact height to match my work bench.

Bruce

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bennybbc

That sucks!

I'v been very happy with two of the bevels (4" & 10") and the striking knife, but they're a few years old.

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B A R R Y

Snippage

While I agree that some Vertitas products are misses (try to use that an aluminum dovetail saddle square gauge with a marking knife) I think the sliding bevel is the neatest thing since sliced bread. (however I do own the

10")

I'd call 'm on that

-Steve

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Stephen M

ROFL - more of us should do that :-).

I have been known to make snide comments about tilting tables at Shopsmith demos :-).

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Larry Blanchard

Think so? I drove my 76 F250 for seventeen years. Think my 2004 Ranger will last that long? Not likely.

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CW

Adopting the American attitude, are they?

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CW

i just last week returned, for exchange, a spiral cutterhead for my grizzly 6" jointer. after the initial need to bore out and elongate the holes in the cast iron to accept the larger and closer spaced bearing block bolts, i turned on the machine only to hear on "odd" sound. i thought that perhaps the combination of a spiral cutterhead and my ear protection may have been the culprit. i shut down the jointer, took off the ear protection, and restarted it few times. definately didn't sound right.

i removed removed the cutterhead and, as soon as i did, the front bearing slipped out of the block. there was a hairline crack in the bearing block.

i shot off an e-mail to grizzly and they promptly gave me an RMA and told me to include a receipt for the return shipping, which they would refund. (how many companies do that?)

on a side note: the orignal bearing blocks on the jointer were pretty substantion cast iron. the new one is made of a composite material, and there's not much of it on the top side. i hope the next one doesn't crack.

anyone else have one of these new spiral (or indexed) cutterheads from grizzly?

-- regards, greg (non-hyphenated american)

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Greg Kimnach

Try that with a Ford. There's a reason they're Found On Road Dead.

I don't know, back when I was younger, I bought my great-grandmother's '67 Caddy Sedan de Ville with over 140k on it and drove the heck out of it for a while and it ran well over 200k before I got rid of it. Not bad for a car I spent $150 on, huh?

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Brian Henderson

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