Delta vs Steel City Table Saw

[Larry Blanchard]

Huh? Frank answered your question and you just keep on carping. I understood him the first time - maybe because I've seen saws with just that problem. Most of us probably have.

[JDH]

The one I got was marked as a type II industrial fence. Their version of the Besemeyer (SP) with HDPE side slabs and heavy guage steel components. Their "delux" fence is a cheaper variation on the same theme with Melamine covered MDF side slabs, lighter guage seel stock and fewer adjustment options. Those are the only two I have seen from them. So I can't speak to the others they may have. I do know they offer the actual Besemeyer brand fence as an option. JDH

[Rod & Betty Jo]

Indeed Franks posts are always a "must read".....A bit like hiding in the back room and hearing the inside skinny. Rod

[J. Clarke]

Anybody who pontificates about how the Japanese were only capable of producing "junk" prior to the intervention of Deming simply does _not_ know enough for his opinion to be worth listening to. I'm sorry, but that's the way of it. You can go on worshipping this person if you want to, but study some history and you'll find out just how wrong he is.

[Maxwell Lol]

What ARE you talking about? He described two kinds of alignment problems, and they are independant of each other. Neither one is "HIS KIND."

He has a positive score in my newsreader score file. He doesn't do personal attacks, unlike you, who DOES argue interminably.

[LRod]

We have a new definition of irony.

[Renata]

Unless things have improved in the last year or so, Delta's support leaves a lot to be desired. Examples include the fine folks who don't realize they now also sell more than just yellow tools; "its normal to have that much run out"; and "we don't really care if you buy our products or not".

Given SC "background", I'd lean toward giving them a try.

Renata

[J. Clarke]

And I should care what _you_ think because?

[Frank Boettcher]

ROTFLOL Now that's funny.

To the best of my ability I answered the OP's questions. Others did the same. We all assumed he was real and sincere in asking and, if that is the case, I hope our combined contributions in some small way help him with his decision.

But you, sir, are what I would define as a "pick and twist" artist. Rather than make a contribution of your own, you look for things to "pick" from the posts of others and "twist" them to lead the thread tangenitially in whatever direction it will go. Accuracy and relevance are unimportant.

So in the words of another who recently discovered this in an earlier thread "that's it for me, your attitude is depressing".

Now to get that newsreader with the plonking feature downloaded.........

Frank

[Markem]

They were quite capable of producing junk prior to 1950 (a military sidearm comes to mind). You are the one pontificating I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG, imo.

Mark (sixoneeight) = 618

[Frank Boettcher]

Sage advice, as usual.

Happy to do so. Thanks for the comment.

Frank

[J. Clarke]

And they are still capable of producing junk. There was no assertion that everything they made was of outstanding quality, it wasn't then and it isn't now, the assertion was that prior to Deming they could not produce anything else, and that is patently not so.

If you are judging them solely by one handgun then you are also not sufficiently familiar with history for your opinion to be worth listening to.

I've given examples of Japanese products that were generally agreed to be first class and arguably the best in the world prior to Deming. If you think that they were "junk" then perhaps you can support that argument.

Let's make it easy, try writing a paragraph starting with "The A6M5 was junk because . . ." Try another starting with "The type 91 torpedo was junk because . . .". Try another "The type 93 torpedo was junk because . . ." Try another "The Nakajima B5N2 was junk because . . ." While you're about it, try one starting with "The Japanese fleet participating in the Battle of Tsushima was junk because . . ."

And your are correct, because I _am_ right on this point and anyone who thinks that the Japanese were incapable of producing anything but "junk" prior to Deming _is_ wrong.

[DS]

True dat. It was the Chinese that produced junks. The Japanese were better known for their tub boats, or taraibune, which are made from cedar and bamboo.

[Markem]

Your reading of what I said was wrong actually, FOAD

Mark

[Adam]

I definitely was sincere! :-) It has been interesting to read the other posts too!

I am going back to the store today to check it out one more time before I lay my money down. You guys have given me a lot of insight and I am armed with things to look for now too!

Thank you SO MUCH for all of the great replys!

Adam

[J. Clarke]

If you meant something different then you should have written something different or made some effort to clarify.

[Hoosierpopi]

$900 dollars for a table saw? Geeze, that's a lot.

When I finally sold my Ohio Forge (purchased "damaged" at Home Depot some twenty-five or thirty year ago (Cracked cast table extension), I looked around at HD, Sears nd Lowes and found they all were very similar and all were "lighter" than the old Ohio Forge. I wound up buying a Sear Close Out / customer return for about $275 as I recall. I added one of those Link Belts after a few years and use it regularly on wood and light metals and plastics/composites

They tell me my grandfather used to say "its a poor workman what blames his tools."

Then Deming: I couldn't believe the first post. How can one get it so turned around! Deming Tried to teach America but they wouldn't listen until after his succes in Japan. Now, TQM is used throughout America - lbeit absent the inspiration

False. Demming taught the Japanese how to do it. He brought statistical process control, the basis for all aspects of lean manufacturing, to the Japanese when the US auto manufacturers were not interested. Prior to his indoctrination the Japanese were known for cheap junk.

[Markem]

Only in your mind, definitely no requirement on my part to do so.

Mark

[Adam]

Well it seems we have different goals for what we are looking for...

I don't think I was asking for judgement of the cost of my purchase... did it seem that way?

There are much more expensive table saws out there too - so just because you can get some POS on closeout, it doesn't mean I have to.

Note: I am not saying Craftsman are POS - just the fact that it was a customer return / being closed out.

[Larry Blanchard]

You don't appear to care what most on this group think. Why are you here?