David Marks

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Shortly after Christmas ("The Holidays" for the PC crowd) my wife went out and bought a HDTV Television (that cagey ole broad knows when the deals are happening).
It's not very big, as these things go, being only a 27" version but anything much bigger wouldn't have fit so good in our tiny little living room.
So we get it and I hook it up and fire it up - then she tells me it won't work right without the cable company coming out and gouging us for more money - so I waited.
Cable guy comes and hooks up the box interface to their office and my wallet - and I wait.
What I'm waiting for is the DIY Network, sose I can cast an eyeball on this David Marks fella that I've been reading so much about here on the Wreck.
Finally, the kids are done playing with the thing and watching all of the four thousand kids channels that come with the service - I'm done waiting.
Yesterday morning I punched up the DIY channel and watched a couple of Mr. Marks' programs, that ran back to back.
I have to confess, I really don't know what all the fuss is about.
He had a brad nailer sitting on his workbench, just like Norm does.
Although I don't know anything about the man, he seemed like he came from a pure shop background or an art school background, because the work that he was doing had a more elevated design ethic than Norm's usual stuff.
Norm comes from being a carpenter, which is how I came to making furniture, and he tends to copy existing pieces, rather than starting from his own on paper.
Marks looks like he favors studio furniture trends over traditional styles, but hell, I've only seen two shows.
His techniques didn't seem wildly divergent from those of any decent mechanic - I was expecting something on the order of Toshio Odate.
His shop didn't look much different from mine, saving the aircraft carrier that was taking up way too much shop space - I'd trade that for Norm's Timesaver in a heartbeat.
I'll keep watching.
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Yeah, imagine that. His shop doesn't look that much different from yours or mine... What, you don't have the 48" wide sanding machine next to your dedicated pocket hole machine?
Both men are talented, both shows have value. I like Marks as he is a bit more realistic with the tools available to him, er me. Norm has a huge financial backing, hence all the cool tools, admittedly, ones I most likely will never be able to afford. But that doesn't make him a bad guy. Maybe a better business man, but not a bad guy.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:23:22 -0800, "Markndawoods"

That's because Marks owns all of his own tools, many of which he purchased used. He did a show on all of his tools and he explained where they all came from and admitted that his aircraft carrier jointer is a little ridiculous but he got a good deal.
While I don't have that jointer nor the multi-router, nor some of the other things that he does, I haven't been at it as long as he has, nor am I a woodworking professional in galleries all over the world. However, his shop is a lot closer to mine and I've thought about using some of the nifty ideas I've seen in his shop if I ever get time.
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Marks also has two one-way lathes...
The difference between the shows is that if you watch Norm he is really good on working out the exact right sequence to build something with minimal hassle.
Marks does not have as many specialist power tools as Norm but be does have a heck of a lot of specialist hand tools and he uses some very expensive woods. If Marks is using a hand plane it will either be one he hand made himself or something that cost twice as much as the bench top mortiser that Norm uses.
Marks is much more interested in artsy finishing, Norm does maybe a couple of projects a season with something other than eight coats of poly.
Interestingly, Norm has really jacked up the difficulty level this season and last. The mahoghany dinning table he built last season must have cost at least $2K for the wood alone. I would have thought that for a table that size veneer would be a better way to go.
Neither of them uses a spliter or guard on their table saw. Marks was seen using his rip fence as a cutoff guide while cross cutting with a mitre guage this morning - Norm always uses a short cuttoff fence.
I don't think that the 'guards removed for visibility' is legit. It would be pretty easy to mount a modern lightweight CCD camera on a blade guard. If Norm used a splitter &ct then the number of shop injuries in the US would probably fall markedly. Friend of mine is now limited to only using hand tools after he cut half his hand off. He was lucky and he got it sewn back on and even got feeling back but his hand now looks like a piece of wood that has been ripped in two and butt joined together, you can see the jump in the creases of his palm due to the saw kerf
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I caught that, but it was while using his sled. No real chance for the wood to twist and bind between saw and fence.
But yeah, he should have used a short fence for that.
Kevin
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On 16 Jan 2005 20:15:40 -0800, "Phillip Hallam-Baker"

I've never thought it was legit and is especially laughable after Norm's little "safety speech" which there's always a "Granted, I don't use them" addition to the end of.
I'd love to see them use all the proper guards and splitters, if for no other reason than to serve as a good role model. Do we really need to see the wood get cut in half or can we just assume that it does when it comes out the other end in two pieces?
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"Brian Henderson" wrote in message

Naah, they're just showing you that they get burn marks just like you do.
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But we always see him building it for the second time. It might be an interesting program to see him build the _prototype_.
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Maybe one should just read the obituaries and look to see when a guy dies who has WW listed as a life's passion, then swoop in on the distraught widow and buy the whole shop for $500!!!
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Question about one of his favorite finishes... tung, linseed, urethane mixture... what ratios of these do you experienced people use (of those of you who are partial to this mixture?) As a newbie, I am looking for something that has a lot of beauty like tung oil that haas a protective coating like the urethane. As some previous posters noted about Norm... I'm not totally digging the thousand coats of urethane. Not only that, as a newbie, I have found that the oil finishes are more forgiving of air born dust than a urethane coating...
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:54:49 -0500, pharmdave wrote:

Have you tried Waterlox? Some people on this group talk a lot about it so I used it on my last project (a pair of walnut endtables) and really liked it. I wiped on 4 coats, lightly rubbed with steel wool, and finished with paste wax. Granted, not as much protection as urethane, but I think more than straight up tung oil, and easier to apply too. Each coat was dry (to touch, not cured) in less than 12 hours.
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:00:57 -0500, the inscrutable Chad Bender

It's great stuff.

90% of projects don't NEED the "protection" of poly.
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This is often his way of referring to General Finishes Arm-R-Seal. Do search on this and you'll see someone posted an email from him saying that that was his brand. Sometimes the camera will show the back of the can and you can see it's a GF product
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Commercially available: "Tried and True" at Woodcraft. Marks is careful not to endorse anyone by accident.

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It's just too bad that Norm is sponsored by Delta Tools and not Delta Dental. The guy could really stand to have some dental work done.
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message

DJM definitley has a more "artistic" approach than Norm ... after all, this is New Jersey moved to CaliforniO.
I'd also suspect that much of what he does on TV is dumbed down for 'doofus americanus', considering the source is the DIY channel.
However, his TV projects do seem to have at least a twist, or detail, often subtle, that takes him out of the realm of the ordinary mechanic, IMO.

No way. but I would say, relatively speaking, he's the best on TV thus far.

He's got the shop space for it ... there is much more shop than you see. An episode deals with his shop, DC and wood shed. And his wood stash is definitely the mark of a serious woodworker.
Very few of us get an opportunity to be exposed to an elevated level of woodworking except through TV. Even if DJM's is not of the highest, I still enjoy his program for that aspect.
Although I definitely don't consider him the holy grail., he does offer an opportunity to see a bit more artistic approach doing things than what has gone before.
Besides, how much of the family jewels/secrets would you want to give away between now and the bloom fading on the rose, as it always does?
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Ya know, Swing, we need a guy like Alan Lomax was, to go out and see what the small one-off shops are doing and report back to us.
It would be a worthwhile endeavor.
watson - who feels too old to volunteer - unless there's good money in it.
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(Speaking of DJM...)

Ah, yes. The wood. To me, that is the biggest difference between Marks and Nahm. Like me, Marks loves and respects the wood. He listens to it and works with it to reveal the sometimes hidden beauty, while Nahm just machines it.
DJM is glue and lots of clamps; Nahm is "just a couple of brads until the glue dries".
DJM is tung oil; Nahm is polyurethane, or -*shudder*- paint.
I record and watch Nahm on my DVR, but I delete every episode as soon as it's over. But my 70 hour DVR is about half full of Wood Works, and I've got to find a way to dump some out to DVD, instead of VHS tapes.
In the end, it boils down to this for me: DJM is an artist, as I aspire to be. Nahm builds furniture as if he's framing a house: sturdy, fine workmanship, but no soul at all.
Kevin
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Especially since Marks work is in several museums.
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message

Then let me put DJM into a perspective you'll understand, TW: ... it's like Leland Sklar playing plain ole 'eat shit' I V bass behind James Taylor, then, every once in a while, sneaking in one of those tasty little trademark licks that says unequivocally, "let there be no doubt that I can do it, but I damn sure don't get paid to do it all the time."
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