I don't do much with ebay, buying or selling, and I don't have any kind
of monetary account with them.
Every week, I'd guess I average 60 scams about my PayPal or Ebay
accounts being screwed up. I don't have accounts with either, of
It is relentless, and, for whatever reason, AOL's spam filters don't
I'm basically just curious as to whether or not ebay itself has any
kind of active program against this sort of activity. It sure isn't
effective, if they do.
Since it's third parties who are doing the spamming/phishing, eBay has no
control whatsoever over it.
Just imagine, if you will, what it's like if you run a mail server or two
... all this crap goes to _every_ e-mail address on the servers. It's past
the point where a small company can afford the bandwidth/cpu cycles to keep
up with it.
Another interesting thing is to take a look at just one day of a server's
logs ... there's a war going on that you never hear about, mostly emanating
from the Pacific Rim/China and the old Eastern Bloc countries.
I'd gladly supply the rope to hang a few of these idiots in the public
square if you can catch'em.
On 7/14/2005 1:39 PM Dave Hinz mumbled something about the following:
Even with RBLs and spamassassin, a lot of these get through just fine.
Too many kiddies put up linux boxes with wide open SMTP relays and
spammers find these as fast as they show up. I use 8 different RBLs,
including maintaining one of my own, and I still get an avg of 5-10 spam
emails a day coming through my mail server.
Blocking entire continents only prevents them from sending directly to
you. They still get through those open SMTP relays that show up daily.
Seems to me that there should be some kind of internaitonal cooperation
on catching, and punishing, these people. I don't see anyone who is
very bright falling for their cons, but the damned things are super
annoying, almost as annoying as the new variants on the Nigerian scam.
Best idea I've seen is a law that penalizes the spammers $1.00 for each
offense. That means for each contact: send a million, spend a million.
Of course we need some leverage with ISPs to uncover them.
On 7/14/2005 1:41 PM Charlie Self mumbled something about the following:
Ebay and Paypal (who is owned by Ebay) have a team that investigates
these fraudulent sites, but only if they're alerted to them. Since very
few people forward these emails to Ebay and Paypal, they are unaware
that a new fraud site has shown up. When you get one of these, forward
the email, headers and all to email@example.com
They have a "spoof" team that allegedly checks into each and every one of
those "your account may have been compromised" type of scams. Send any
suspect emails to them. Can't hurt I suppose.
I don't see how they can really do all that much, they can't control every
ISP in the world. Unless and until the ISP's figure out some way to go after
their users for attempted fraud, I don't see any real solutions. It's
already against the law so more laws won't solve it. Perhaps life
imprisonment for internet fraud would do the trick.
I've had some fun with some of the con artists by stringing them along but
all that does is show them where they made their mistakes. Their was at
least one fairly well know account of a guy who scammed one of the scammers
pretty well and I remember reading an account by a news reporter where he
tried to turn the tables on one of the "Nigerian" scam artists and then get
the guy to talk to him about it for the story.
There was also a piece on NPR about actions being taken by Nigerian
officials to try and stop the scams coming out of their country, during the
report one of the officials got a scam email...
Better to give them a choice. Duct tape their gonads to the parapet on
a 10 story building, then hang them over the parapet wall. Their choice
as to what they do. Pull the tape or hang their in agony forever.
Puts new meaning into the phrase, "How they hanging?"
It's getting worse. I'm not usre if you're familiar with craigslist but
here in the SF bay area and other regions around the us it's a very
popular free classifieds site. They now have scammers.
I placed a few pieces on there for sale. Within an hour I recieved 3
responses, all of them scams, all the same scam. They wanted to send me
a money order or cahsiers check and they have their own shipper. It
seemed suspicious so I check around for fraud alerts and there it was.
In fact one of the samples was verbatim to one of the emails I
recieved. The basics are that they send you a cashiers check or money
order that you bank will accept but will later reject once they find
its fake. By that time you have already shipped the product.
In an added twist, they sometimes claim they have a "client" that is
willing to pay more than you are asking. In order to expidite, they
have the client send you the cashiers chek or money order directly and
ask you to send them the difference.
What I don't understand is why anyone would ship something before a
"certified" check actually clears? I don't mean after it's been deposited, I
mean after it clears and the actual money is in your account. Or else simply
call the issuing bank and confirm the authenticity of the check and the
The "I'll pay you more than the asking price if you'll send me back the
extra money" is my favorite.
I used that one myself on a guy who tried to scam me on a video camera I
wanted to buy. After confirming with several sources that he was scamming me
I offered to pay him twice what he wanted for the camera if he'd send me the
balance in cash...never heard back from him again...strange that.
> It's getting worse. I'm not usre if you're familiar with craigslist but
This very thing happened to my wife and me. I got a really wierd vibe
from the potential buyer and told him I didn't want to sell the him our
brand new $1200.00 Asko washing machine. He literally flipped out on me
on the phone. I just thought I crossed paths with a damaged soul but
the above quote is identicle to what we experienced on Craigslist. We
have sold many things on Craigslist before with no problem, I guess as
with everything else in life you just need to really pay attention to
that little voice within.
And where was the ship-to address? Unless it was some bogus address, it
shouldn't be all the difficult for authorities to track to who was using it
even if it was a rented postal mail box. Must have been something more
elaborate than that to evade detection.
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