clamps

It always happens. You are right in the middle of a project and you find out that you are short on clamps. So what do you do? You try to figure out some sort of jerry rig with bailing wire and duct tape to get the job done.

Well,

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has the answer for you. This month's freebie is a whole assortment of clamps for your shop. What kind of assortment you ask? Well, look below.

2 - 25" Bessey K-Bodies 2 - 41" Bessey K-Bodies 2 - Quick Grip Handi-Clamps 2 - 12" Medium Duty FA Clamps 2 - 36" Medium Duty FA Clamps 2 - 6.5" Bessey UniKlamps

Hopefully these 12 clamps will come in handy. As always, all you have to do is be the randomly selected poster at

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Just make sure that post is made between 1/1/04 and 1/31/04. Remember, you have to post to be eligible to win. Just being a member doesn't cut it.

Have fun!

Brian

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Brian Blazer
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Annoying spam, but even more annoying is that your home page forwards you to ANOTHER page, which is annoying because I can't use the BACK button to exit your site. Tell your web developer he needs to fix this, cause I sure won't be back.

Reply to
Larry Bud

I certainly don't consider Brian's occasional posts to be spam, and the back button works just fine in my browser (Safari 1.1.1).

Perhaps you should contact your browser developer and tell them they need to fix it?

;-)

djb

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Dave Balderstone

Of course it's spam, as he's offering nothing but advertising. Speaking as a web developer/java programmer, if you're going back fine, then your back button isn't actually going BACK to the previous page, as his home page forwards you to another page. You have to go back into the history if you really want to go back.

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Larry Bud

Spam is UNWANTED solicitation, so the message can be both depending on who's reading it. Since Brian doesn't promote his website very often he's well within the guidelines of promotions on this NG.

Dave in Fairfax

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dave

On Fri 02 Jan 2004 02:41:32p, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Larry Bud) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

Promoting a woodworking website every now and then is spam? Tool reviews and forums are "nothing but advertising?" I think maybe you and I differ on the definition. :-)

Speaking as another web dev/programmer, my back button takes me right back to the page I was on before I clicked on the link to spalted board. One click. Always has, every time I visit the site. Same goes for a lot of websites. If the back button takes the browser to the page that does the redirect, some programmer has dropped the ball.

Dan

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Dan

The only real problem with most (OK, almost all) Web page "designers" is they think that onna 'count of the fact that they have some Web page software they are then Web page "designers". Would be sorta similar that anyone with word processing software would maybe think they were Ernest Hemingway.

UA100, who really thinks Web page "designers" might/oughta be gub'ment regulated or at the very least shot when seen in public...

Reply to
Unisaw A100

And what are you offering with this? And what am I advertising other than my web site? A site that I do out of my own pocket and gain no financial rewards for doing?

Brian

Reply to
Brian Blazer

Kinda like people that buy a brand X table saw for $1500 are automatically "woodworkers" ?

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KS

On Fri 02 Jan 2004 09:18:05p, Unisaw A100 wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Um. Did I uh, mention that I'm a programmer who makes sure the login goes right and the right info comes out of the database, and the right pages come up at the right time, and I don't really actually design websites? I read the usability books and try to rig it so the user can get in there and get what she wants without having to hunt all over for it, but I don't actually, like, really, design. That's somebody else's job. They give me templates and tell me what the font's supposed to be.

Oh, and since I technically work for the state, I guess I *am* gummint regalated.

Dan

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Dan

Hum...since it IS a forum about woodworking (and I suppose has some relevance to the boatbuilding community), I hardly would call it spam as it IS on topic for the posted groups. As for the "another page"...I can see your point, sort of... However, the actions of the site stem from the fact that the pages are not static, but, are generated on the fly by a database program. Therefore, simply going to the domain

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causes the web server to invoke the program to create the home page. You CAN use the "back" button to get out...but, you DO have to hit it twice in fairly quick sequence. The first "back" gets you to the domain. The second "back" click gets you to the page you were at when you went to the domain. It is a small price to pay for a good source of information, I think, so, perhaps the best thing we can do is all just chill out and worry about more important things. Regards Dave Mundt

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Dave Mundt

Ahhhh, you're catching on but there are some subtle nuances. The trust funded beginner hobbyist wooddorker typically doesn't turn right around and pawn themselves off to the unsuspecting public as "professional" wooddorkers.

UA100

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Unisaw A100

Yahbut, anyone ever tell you, "I want blinkies all over my page and make all the colors (colours David/Luigi) hot pink".?

By the way, I'm really not totally on board with the, "But I was only following orders" argument. Sorry, I'm sure you're as pure as the freshly driven snow and all but we do have to make a yellow line in that freshly driven snow and "that" starts with you and me.

There now, we have our yellow line.

OBWW: If Web page designers were wooddorkers they'd be making pukey ducks.

UA100, who thinks Web page designers are the mullets of the design industry.

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Unisaw A100

On Sat 03 Jan 2004 07:07:07a, Unisaw A100 wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Sigh. Yes. Then I try my best to tell the people who pay me what "Dancing Baloney" is, and what "old eyes vs young eyes" is, as gently as I can. And maybe explain the reasoning behind Section 508 as it applies to web- accessible information. Actually I've learned to do that before they hand me any specs. Often they'll say "um, we'll get back to you on that. Gotta do a little revising."

I'm obligated to point it out and try to persuade against it. Sometimes I can actually point to gummint regs that forbid it because it has to be available to sight-challenged and mouse-challenged users. But if the guy who writes the check wants a pukey duck... well, I've got the specs - and my recommendations against them - down in writing when somebody notices it's a pukey duck and they try to point at me. :-)

The funny thing is, after I make my little speech sometimes they'll ask for a different programmer because I "don't have the right attitude." Supervisor had a chat with me a couple times. Supervisor stopped having those chats when the clients started coming back to us to fix the gawdawful crap they ended up with after they found somebody who gave 'em everything they asked for without a fight. Now we've got clients who won't sign on unless I'm on the team and if I'm booked up, they wait. If I can get my woodworking close to that point, I'll be satisfied.

Hey. That was a rant, wasn't it?

And on that note, off I go to pack for two weeks on the Big Island hunting for Koa wood. :-) Dan

Reply to
Dan

ADA and Al Gore's Internet, I didn't know this.

It worked for me.

Oh, I see. My first impressions of you were right.

rat bastard

UA100

Reply to
Unisaw A100

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:38:20 -0000, Dan brought forth from the murky depths:

Some people just have to have animations distracting their clients from the sales pitch they just spent a mint to produce, huh? I'm starting to make some money from small Flash movies but I'm still telling people that less is more/subtlety COUNTS!

I work with smaller companies and seldom get them to allow initial revisions. Fortunately, most of them let me make corrections before the site goes live, but they've spent more money than they had to. I stopped being gentle, too. Tough love works better, though my pocket would be bulging more if I let them ruin their sites by giving them what they wanted.

There ya go. I had one client look elsewhere when I wouldn't do a site precisely as he wanted it, without spell or grammar-checking in the slightest. After pointing out why I wouldn't do that, he went away. About 2 months later, he came back and let me spellcheck it and make a few mods. Over the course of the past six months, he has spent about triple what I originally quoted to do the site correctly for him and it still isn't pulling like it could. The customer is (almost) always right, though.

Some day we'll find clients with both brains and bank accounts so we can create the sites the right way the first time, eh?

I'm sorry, sir, but I believe that Koa is out of season 365 days a year unless you get really, really lucky and find some old stock somewhere. (Kinda like Brazilian Rosewood.)

P.S: Hey, Keets. You'll never see flashing text or pukey ducks from my office or shop.

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Larry Jaques

Wrong..

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