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I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web site: www.charlieselfonline.com
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Charlie,
Just noticed on this page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html that the picture covers the word Wood on my browser - IE6. Nice looking site.
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In the page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/Hardwood.html the title overlaps the text (Netscape 7) PvR * * *

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And in <http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html the inline pics overlap the text above them.
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wrote:

of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the headline overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other machines not offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines. Thus, when my BD Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in this old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
I dunno what to do about the rest: my laptop only has 128 megs, so working up the site, dealing with AOL's asininities, and putting up photos is something it won't do. I can't check. The rest of my machines work fine with it.
I'll keep piddling, but I doubt it will ever be exactly right for everyone unless I set the whole thing in 14 pt. Arial, which ain't gonna happen. I use that type face a lot, but it is a curse when it is on a web site as a replacement text because point for point it is probably 20% larger than almost any other typeface.
It is a good lesson in why so many web sites have to go with flash and other crap: stable, stationary layouts do not exist as they do in the print world.
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Can you use a more common text/font that is more likely to be on most computers? A Courier font for instance? Or am I way off here?
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Westside. The rest is Arial.
Arial was the default on-line for most machines...I don't even know if Courier will come up on-line. I've sure never seen it and never hope to. Times Roman won't do, because then machines that default to Arial, as many seem to, will pop up with stuff all over the place, because Arial is, as I said, about 20% larger.
I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or even smack in the frigging middle.
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Regardless of how nice the font is, why would you assume that anyone visiting your site has it installed on their computer?
That's just silly.
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Maybe because 95% of all computers come with many of the same common fonts.
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Leon said:

Windoze comes with only about 6 standard scaleable fonts, and sets equivalencies for other common styles. The computer font world and the printing business are _worlds_ apart...
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Yeah, but I'm not in the printing business. The fonts installed on my machine are common fonts...hell, I'd love to ditch some of them, but, as usual, that's a PITA, and the little accessory programs that supposedly help out mostly work nicely until you discover the fonts are still present. I'm pretty sure that the font I used came from either Word or WordPerfect, though it might have been from PhotoShop Elements or PaintShop Pro,not exactly uncommon programs these days.
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And those 6 fonts would be the ones that I am talking about.
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Leon said:

And your point is what? My point was to _use_ one of these std fonts. His page is using an off-the-wall font known as BD WestSide.
But he doesn't like the look of the STD fonts, and has chosen to use the aforementioned font instead. It doesn't match up to anything and there are no built in equivalencies for it. I have hundreds of TT and OT fonts and I don't have it either. So the pages are wonkered in several browsers, including MSIE and Konqueror on Linux.
FWIW,
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BD Westside is installled on 95% of computers? Wow. I Did Not Know That.
I also think it's Not So.
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The web has always been about structure, not layout. You can't control how people's browsers are configured, so trying to design a web page as if it were a printed page is a mug's game. Don't bother.
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Charles Self wrote:

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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:26:00 +0000, Charles Self wrote:

Ouch! I'll have to see if the Linux fonts do the same thing. Come to think of it, they did when I read your site under Linux.
As one who started his working life as a printer, it's really irritating to hear that kind of thing. 72pt should be 72pt regardless of font.
I'm guessing, but I suspect the Westside font is undersized, since Arial is such a common font.
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You could set up the titles as pictures - use your font on a white background in an image editing program like PhotoShop. Then call up that jpeg or gif as an image in the page layout. This way it wouldn't matter how the viewer's machine sees fonts, it'll size perfectly since it's no longer a font.
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wrote:

I like it. When time permits, I hope later today as I'm assembling things for the next page, I'll give that a try...for the next page, which probably won't go up for a week or so. I've got to do some real work today and the rest of the week or I'll have a publisher or two ready to choke me.
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wrote:
Charlie.. I do a few sites for folks and have many of the same problems that you encounter.. One easy though non-artistic short cut is to stick to arial and times roman as much as you can, assuming that most folks have those fonts on their computers....
Other issues are different screen resolutions and different browsers.... One of my clients love Netscape, so I have to optimize it for that POS and view it on NS to see the same thing that he's seeing... different line spacing, etc. than other browsers..

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