Its gonna take 3 machines, unless you want to square lumber by traditional
means, which is fine by me, but someone once told me that if one of the
woodworkers from 100 or 200 years ago had access to power tools.........they
would have jumped on them fast. I tend to agree. Not to put down the purists
out there, but power tools usually make more sense, especially for mundane
tasks such as squaring lumber.
Running board on their edge through a planner? If anyone runs a board (rough
or S4S for that matter) on its edge through a planner..........anywhere near
me....I'm gonna take a few steps back, like about 50.
Using a sled to joint on a planer.......sounds a lot better than it works.
The bottom line is this: if you want your projects to fit and look great you
have to start with damn near perfectly squared lumber on 4 sides.
The only way you are going to convert rough lumber or S2S etc to perfect
square with "power tools" is by using 3 different tools. A jointer, a
planner, and a table saw.
A jointer first; you flatten one face of the board. A planner second; you
run the board you just flattened on one side through the planner with the
face you flatttened on the jointer down. When you are done flattening the
second face in the planner, its back to the jointer to square one edge. When
that is done you run the squared edge against the fence on a table saw and
rip cut the final edge square.
That's the way you square lumber accurately. There really isn't a cheap way
out that delivers excellent results.
If cash is short, you're better off buying fun (less expensive) tools like a
router first and purchasing your hardwoods from a lumber store that will
square the wood for you (at a cost of course). At least then you will have
sqaured stock to begin with and your projects will turn out better.
You can set yourself up for failure by using stock that isn't square. Its
easy for someone starting out to think they just aren't any good at this
stuff because they're working with stock that isn't square to begin with.
The projects they create don't measure up to what they hoped for. They're
liable to think they just don't have the knack when it has nothing to do
with their abilities....sadly they may give up the hobby as a result.
Its like a guy who buys a cheap guitar with terrible action and gives up
because it's too hard to play & learn.....when all the time the cheap guitar
is to blame. Had he started out with a decent instrument, it wouldn't have
been so hard to play.
Don't set yourself up for failure........use square lumber........if you
don't have the funds to buy a table saw and the more boring and expensive
tools (IE jointer & planner) right now.... purchase lumber that is square
and start saving your pennies for these three tools. What order should you
buy them? I think everyone would agree table saw first, then you'd get some
differences of opionion as to what to buy second and third. I'd buy the
planer second and start using prepared S2S lumber instead of S4S which would
be a little cheaper and then I'd have more pennies to stock away to buy the
My $ 0.02,
Fri, Feb 17, 2006, 10:40pm (EST-1) firstname.lastname@example.org
<snip> Using a sled to joint on a planer.......sounds a lot better thanit works. <snip>
Ever try one? Mine does an excellent job.
IThere is no vaccine against stupidity!
That will give you one edge parrallel to the other. If the reference
edge is not straight, the 'jointed' edge will not be straight either.
If the board to be jointed is firmly mounted to a sled that has a
straight reference face, then that would work.
For small jobs jointing with a hand plane is easy and fun.
No. The very different machines. A surface planer will snipe. A
jointer produces a 90-degree straight edge which a planer can not
produce. If you must decide between two machines I'd buy the surface
planer and joint using a hand jointer (plane). Hand surface planing
is very time-consuming and requires more skill than using a hand
While the "correct" answer is no you cannot use a planer to edge
joint, in some instances you can. Several times I've gang-jointed
narrow boards in a planer. The edges have to be pretty square and
straight to begin with and it's probably not a very good idea for
boards wider than a few inches. It's also a good way to quickly
produce a bunch of narrow boards that need to be exactly the same
I well understand the problems in achieving a perfect 90 degree edge
using such a method, but for narrow boards ganged together that are
square (or nearly square) to begin with, the results are pretty good
and may be perfectly good for the application.
With the right jig, you can make a tool do damn near anything a
different tool can do. I imagine you could joint with a dremel if you
put enough effort into it.
So, yes you can joint with a planer. You will need to build a sled that
will hold the board on edge, and run it through the planer till you
have a straight edge.
Then you will need a sled to hold the board such that the just-planed
(jointed) edge is perfectly vertical, and plane one face so that you
have a reference face and edge at 90 degrees to each other.
At that point, you can use your table saw to square off the other edge
and your planer to flatten the board.
Then you can take some time to consider how many times you want to do
this, and whether just buying a jointer makes more sense. If you're
doing it occasionally, and like building jigs, this would be a
perfectly reasonable scenario.
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain.
I'd like to know that, too.
Go back and read the part of my post you quoted again. There was no
absolute statement there.
You can even move your lips if it will help you understand what I wrote.
And now, good day to you, sir. I shall not continue conversing with you.
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
How do you make YOUR voice do that?? "Damn near" in my book is pretty close
to being "absolute".
How close can you come to making a jointer act like a bandsaw with the right
jig? I doubt you will get "damn near" close. Do you think you can get
"damn near" to doing it? Care to recant?
Good day sir!
Supposing one wants to make a circular tabletop and does not have
a bandsaw. I can make a jig that allows one to use the jointer to make
the circular tabletop.
ISTM you could cut any convex curve in a similar fashion. One
could also make a concave curve with a jointer, but not with a tight
Those would not be _my_ first choice for how to do it. But I could.
What happened to "I shall not continue conversing with you" ???
Until you can tell me how to resaw a board with my jointer using a jig.
How to use a jig to drill a hole using my table saw...I'm done with you.
You sir are a HUGE chuckle. Now go make some jigs Chuckles!
Sun, Feb 19, 2006, 6:18pm (EST+5) .@. (stoutman) now doth burble:
<snip> "Damn near" in my book is pretty close to being "absolute".<snip>
Huh? Who wrote THAT book?
IThere is no vaccine against stupidity!
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