Cabinet Doors question help needed...

I'll be putting together a kitchen in the next few months and I'm building the cabinets myself. The problem that I have come across is that the other hald has found the style in a store that she likes and I don't know how to duplicate that in my shop. I've included a link:

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is just an example, but you can see how complex the rails and stiles are. How does one do this? I would imagine a molder is used with custom knives, but that's gonna cost and what's the limit on the size of those knives.

Any ideas?

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sysadmin
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Actually, the door parts look pretty simple to me. I think you could use a router table and some bits of your choice along both sides of the door stock, then miter the corners. How you hold those corners together is important. Although I generally us cope/stick door construction, I have done mitered doors when I wanted a bead detail around the door. I used biscuits, but you could use splines, dowels etc.

Of course, you have to raise the panels for those doors, so you'll need an appropriate bit for that too.

Lou

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loutent

If you look at the profile on the doors, I don't know of any combination of bits that would do that. It's like a raised convex center. Hard to explain.

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sysadmin

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Mark and Kim Smith

Possibly what you are seeking is a set of cabinetry bits (stile, rail, = raised panel) which can be purchased at Home Depot or ordered from = Freud. The "raised convex center" is probably produced by the bits = given a "classic" form - sometimes referred to as "Roman Ogee". I just = bought a set of these by Freud. They do a wonderful job.

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PDQ

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PDQ

I would think of telling my other half to pick another door.

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Rick LeRoy

I can't tell exactly from the picture, but the doors look like raised panels with molded rails & stiles. This you can do with a number of door making router sets from the likes of CMT, Freud, etc. If you don't have one, you'll need a router table with a variable speed router to run them.

Additionally (again, I can't see all the details) there may be some applied moldings along the inside of the rails and stiles. This isn't complicated, just another step.

~Mark.

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Woody

This is clearly a "New Project, New Tools" project, the rec. speaks. If it were me I'd go down and buy the smallest replacement door in the cheapest wood and figure out the construction. Then, referring to "The Rule" I'd tell the SO that in order to "SAVE" all that money on cabinets I need "$xxx" for a new router and table plus a few router bits, maybe a biscuit cutter and a jointer and a planner and aaaaaa, well, you surely get my drift... Heck, look at all the money the SO will save!!! And can you just imagine how nice the shop, oops, kitchen will look when it's done!

Phil Davis

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Phil

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:09:51 -0500, the inscrutable "sysadmin" spake:

Remind her how FRACKIN' HARD THEY'LL BE TO CLEAN AND DUST, then ask her gain if she still wants that particular style. Best of luck!

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Larry Jaques

I agree with Larry.

There is something beautiful and refined in a simple Shaker door with a flat panel, if it is done in the right proportion.

Lou

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loutent

"Rick LeRoy" wrote in news:42029cfd$0$38737$ snipped-for-privacy@news.twtelecom.net:

By indicating that the shaper, the bits, the electrician and the woodworking class will add $4000 to the cost of the kitchen?

There's no shame in telling SWMBO that, as much as you'd like to be able to, there are some things you don't know how to build in the shop. Yet.

I think I'd cross-reference door styles she likes to cutter sets available from CMT, Whiteside, Freud, etc.

Patriarch

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Patriarch

There was a good article in a recent issue of fine woodworking on making complex moldings from multiple simpler pieces. I think it would be a valid approach to make these.

Bob

Reply to
BillyBob

What the hell's the matter with you? He was looking for an EASY way to solve this problem?

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Unquestionably Confused

Get a better half. :-)

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David Hakala
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There're a couple of ways to come at this: [1] Build rails and stiles up from (routed) strips; [2] have the rail/stile stock cut for you on a molder; and [3] make a DXF drawing file of the profile you want and have rail/stile stock cut for you on a CNC router. This last approach may be least expensive, since your drawing file eliminates the need to have custom knives ground.

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Morris Dovey

Actually you'd be surprised. The number of passes a CNC would have to take to make the profile would drive the cost back up.

To the OP, the doors have mitered corners. You'll have to have strips run of the profile. A local shop with a molder can do this for you.

Or, you could buy your doors ready made.

UA100

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Unisaw A100

Thanks to everybody for the miriad of opinions.

I would use the opportunity to purchase more tools, but (Gasp), I have a good working set and need to actually start producing something with them.

The deal with the wife was the only ay I could "Build" the kitchen was if I can make it look like the ones she wants from the store. I appreciate the simple Cherry rail and stile, while she hates grain and simplicity, etc.

I think I'll take the approach that most of us would do. Build the boxes and face frames and finish everything and worry about the doors later. :)

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sysadmin

It is tough to tell the exact details of the doors in the picture but the only really tricky bit of construction in the doors that I can see is obtaining the forty five degree miter where the rails and stiles come together.

I never made the rails and stile with that configuration myself but have seen it explained in one or two of my reference books. From what I can remember of the details I think I'd cheat and, using standard rail and stile shaping bits in my table mounted router, mill them over length, cut the miters to length, then assemble them using biscuits.

Good luck

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Mike G

It depends on the shop - in my case I can clamp up to 80' of 1x4 stock at a time; and the number of bit changes required might be more significant than the number of passes because I don't have any qualms about letting my machine work in the dark.

It hardly ever hurts to take time to get a price. Sometimes the surprise is a happy one. (-:

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Morris Dovey

Yahbut, please don't be coming back with the problem, "I've built some cabinets and I can't get the hardware I want to work with them".

Always have the end in sight before beginning.

UA100

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Unisaw A100

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