Yes, the inside of the socket is different and affects the epth it can use.
I have a couple of the combination wrenches. I used them. They are
lacking. They are not as good as my old ones.
Since you seem intent on finding all the details, go buy a couple of the new
tools and then stop by my house. I'll get out my original 40 year old
Craftsman toolbox, all the tools (most of them) I still have from the
original set and well try them out, one by one. You can then decide from
your own experience which set is better. I have a couple of things to do on
my car so we can give them an honest workout. Is Saturday OK for you?
Softer material and looser tolerances for a couple of things. I have
seen some cheap sockets strip themselves on hard bolts. Conversely, I have
seen cheap box-end wrenches round over nuts because they are too loose and
slip around the nut instead of tightly fitting it. I have also seen
cheaper open-end wrenches flex open around nuts and also round them over.
Yes. IF you buy the older Craftsman tools. I asked my dad to send me
one of me late grandfather's combo square. I was disappointed to see
"Craftsman" etched into it...BUT, was surprised at how good it was
once I started using it! It was probably bought in the the 50s, 60s or
70s when Craftsman tools were made well.
Won't be buying a Starret or Mitutoyo combo square for a while,
They're not being fickle-- if they bought from you for a reason,
and you remove that aspect of your product, they'll stop buying
for the same reason they were attracted to your product in the
first place. The reason could be quality, or price, or whatever,
but if you change the deal, you'll have to attract a different
set of customers.
The strange thing is when every manufacturer chases the
low-priced end of the market. Haven't they ever heard of niche
The measuring tool is only half the battle. How you use it and how you
cut are also important. Point being, the best tool in the world is
useless if you don't use it correctly or you can't cut worth a rats ass.
Jay Pique wrote:
Ditto what Mike said though I've taken the route of finding
them at garage/estate sales. Of course it never hurts that
we did once upon a time employ an inordinate amount of
machinists here in the upper midwest.
Also, eBay and don't stay stuck too long on Starrett when
there are also the Unions, the Lufkins, the Mitutoyos, the
PECs, the STIs, the Brown and Sharpes, and the Scherr
UA100, who paid/pays around $10-$20 (1) average for a 12"
Starrett 3-piece combo...
(1) One does have to uncover a lot of garage/estate sales
to find a decent tool or two at great prices and whilst one
could/should/would factor in this time as it relates to the
cost of the purchase one could/should/would also offset this
factor/cost with the thrill of the hunt for it's own
entertainment value. I mean, what better way to kill a
Saturday than to hunt down tool and machine bargains?...
On a good day a body can find a Starrett 4R blade in the
$1/$2 range, maybe $5. A head might set you back $5/$10,
maybe as high as $20. A full set (head/scribe/blade) can be
found in the $10/$20 range, maybe $30. My best was the full
boat (head/scribe/blade/protractor/center head) for $20ish.
UA100, just lounging this weekend after 19 straight days at
work (at work of course)...
Keeter, Sorry about that, I really meant to include a smiley at the end
of that comment. No disrespect nor derision were intended, only a slight
amount of ribbing.
Just getting back to where teranews is posting again.
You ain't kidding. Somewhere about last Wednesday, I was able to read
rec.ww, but all attempts to post resulted in connection timeouts. I wrote
Teranews "help" desk the following request for help (BTW, I have the paid
account, not the free account):
To which the ever-helpful folks at Teranews had the following response:
"All 3.95 one time setup fee ( free accounts ) use the free.teranews.com on
port 119 news server only in your news client. All monthly billed
accounts use the news.teranews.com news server on port 119 or
alt.teranews.com on port 443 in your news client only.
Login to the manage accounts area with your username and password to
verify it says active before your username and password will work."
Somehow, I think a "help-bot" is the only help available at Teranews. It
probably keyed off my signature that included the verbiage: Username:
I haven't checked the many other replies in the thread, so this may
have been covered already. Starret's been around since 1880. Many of
the tools a woodworker might use are readily available used. While
some may be damaged and unusable, most were owned and cared for by
machinists whose living depended on their accuracy. Many of the used
Starrett tools I own have long outlived their original owners.
Most machinists' tools were made to measure .001" or less. Even if
not quite so percise, I don't know of too many woodworkers more
accurate than .01".
While they were certianly expensive when purchased new (as now) their
current value can greatly exceed the current cost on the used (or
previously owned) market.
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