I'd love to source all of my precision measuring devices from
Starrett, but at double and triple the price of almost identical tools
from overseas I'm having a tough time mustering up enough patriotism
to justify the additional cash outlay.
I'll be honest, I *trust* Starrett, and I'd like to use their products
where I can in the shop - not only for the whole "buy American" thing,
but for the peace of mind that comes from knowing that I can eliminate
measuring errors from the list of causes of my myriad fuckups. Anyone
have any experience negotiating directly with Starrett to get more
competitive pricing? Just wondering...
Oh yeah - it looks like Lee Valley is making straightedges now. A
four or six footer would sure be nice for the jointer... Dad's a
Canuck so I guess I can feel ok buying (and buying, and buying...)
OK! I knew they were working on the straightedge. I'll have to see if my boss
will free up a check in the next few days. That price is right on the steel
model. Aluminum, too, but I'm clumsy enough to screw that up, so will go with
"I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he
excites among his opponents." Sir Winston Churchill
Now watch. UPS will show up with a 2' long U-shaped package
marked "Carefully folded to avoid damage to contents."
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UPS can mess up anything. So I believe your exaggeration could in
fact come true.
I once ordered a bunch of mesquite boards from Texas. Tracked 'em
across the US, they got to my local delivery office and got scheduled
for delivery. Yippee. later that same day, they got marked as
damaged in shipment, return to sender. WTF!!!!
I was pissed beyond belief, and wondered how they'd gotten broken.
The driver brought them out anyway, of his own initiative. Turns out
someone at UPS spilled a lot of used motor oil on them. How
thoroughly incompetent of them. Since they were mostly wrapped in
cardboard and were rough, what oil did touch them got planed off
Thanks to the initiative of their driver, who must know *something*
about woodworking, he saved the day for me. He should have gotten an
attaboy for that, but probably received discipline for violating the
Please don't joke like this. Recently, I ordered some 3/4" square
x 6' metal bars (3 aluminum, 2 brass). They were shipped via UPS
in a long square box that arrived with creases in the cardboard.
I thought "Yeah, sure" and opened the boxes. And sure enough, one
of the brass bars was bowed just under a half inch.
How do they do that?
http://tinyurl.com/5gfww for the straightedges.
They've also got a new large sholder plane and a very cool roller
stand, which can be seen here - http://tinyurl.com/5ytzf .
The roller stand looks to be very well thought out and sturdily made.
It's now on the list.
I think the key word there is "almost". Compare -- I'm choosing my words
carefully here -- the guaranteed accuracy of the Starrett tools with the
claimed accuracy of the imported competition.
They *are* pricy, I'll grant you that. But we're back to the old maxim,
discussed here many times: buy the best, cry once; buy cheap, cry every time
you use it.
AFAIK, Starrett does not sell direct. But there's a wide range of prices for
the same tool, depending on the retailer. Check Google, Froogle, and eBay.
Auctions and garage sales may be your friends, too -- a long time ago, digging
through a carton of miscellaneous stuff at an auction, I found at the bottom
of it a wooden box containing a Browne & Sharp micrometer. Put that sucker
right back where I found it, too, at the bottom under everything. Paid a buck
and a half for the carton. :-)
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I suffered with the same decision. I chose to go with Mitutoyo. I've
got one of their dial calipers and a combination square with a center
finder and protractor head. Love that protractor head.
However, if Starett wasn't so far out their price wise, I'd get that.
But for a hobbyist woodworker, it's just too much.
Heh - that's almost exactly what I said to the guy at the Starrett
booth last week. I was nice about it, and said that I'd prefer to buy
Starrett, but with Mitutoyo at half the cost it's tough to justify.
Buying woodworking tools is like buying anything else...like shoes,
clothes, cars, etc. You're buying quality, top shelf stuff, but you're
also buying the brand name and reputation of the company too. That's
why Starret can, and rightly so, charge more for their tools.
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:58:39 -0700, Layne <> wrote:
Compared to Mitutoyo ?
IMHO, Starrett are doomed - like so many US and UK manufacturing
companies. No, I don't know an answer, this is just an observation.
But when I can buy a $100 Starrett tool for $5 from Lucky Golden
Hedgehog (and it's rubbish) or for $50 from Mitutoyo and it's as good
if not better than Starrett's, then why _should_ I buy the US version?
You can talk about "loyalty" all you like, but sometimes that just
becomes an excuse for a stupid buying decision. HP's printers have
been rubbish for some years, and this is the company that gave us the
LaserJet (my 15 year old LaserJet is still running, my 2 year old
inkjet is scrap)
More importantly, you can't run a company on loyalty alone. Even if
some of your customers still buy "for old times sake", the majority of
them are fickle and will move away.
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