You are coming dangerously close to allowing your fingers to write checks that
your ass is completely incapable of cashing, cupcake. Take the virtual ass
whipping I gave you today like a man. The stinging you're obviously feeling will
eventually subside. Rather than being bitter about it, try and think of it as a
valuable learning experience.
Now, you run along back to being Karl's bitch, I find you boring and stale.
Sorry, "Bay Area Dave" doesn't ring a bell with me, apparently before my time.
You might want keep a tighter reign on your bitch, Leon. He got a little uppity
today and as a result I had to take him to the woodshed.
Back to the original subject...
As you've already figured out by others, "borrowing" isn't an
option. Licensing prevents that. If you *must* have ACAD your
best choice would be to download a trial version. the other
option would be to sign up for a class and get an education
version with a timebomb.
With that said I've downloaded a free version of progeCad and
used it for several years. I'm a very light user but
everything I attempted matched ACAD exactly. They no longer
offer a free version and the download I have refuses to
install on anything later that Vista but it could probably be
hacked to install on a newer OS goven a little time and
effort. If you were to decide it was worth the time it can be
purchased for the reasonable cost of $499, 1/10th the cost of
ACAD. You can find it at
http://www.progesoft.com if you have any interest.
So if I came over to your house, if I used your computer and drew some stuff
on your autodesk, your license would be void? How about if I borrowed your
computer with the program on it for a few days, and then returned it? Void
then, also? How about if you were not planning to use your autodesk program
for a few days, or months, and let me use it then I returned it. Nowhere
did any money change hands, or was ownership transferred. Still voided?
That's all I'm talking about, here. I'm not trying to get a copy and keep
it, or buy it. I want to BORROW it for a little while to see if I can put
out work professional enough to get a job doing it, then if I am good
enough, I will be getting my own legal, leased copy of the program, and
going to work using it.
See, I have time on my hands. I am totally disabled from a fall. I may
never return to work as a carpenter in any capacity again. I'm trying to
see what else I can do. I want to teach myself the program, and see if I
like the work. I have contracting and drafting experience. I thought
someone may have an autodesk laying around (perhaps a few versions old) that
I could use for a little while. No transfer of ownership. Gray enough to
Sorry if I stirred up so much controversy. As far as being knowledgeable
in torrents, I'm not. Why was there a big download button if you are not
supposed to use it. A horseshow? Who knows that except one that plays in
torrents all of the time?
I even offered my own email address, so if someone wanted to help me out,
they could have zero exposure. I've been posting here for a good while, and
I think most will say that I have a solid history of being a reasonable
person. I knew it was a long shot, but I asked. I thought I had a copy of
the last autodesk that was put out without a flagged lease on it, which was
around 97 I think. I don't have it, unfortunately. I will have to go with
the 30 day trial, which is not ideal, due to the timing on my disability and
pending legal case, or try to go and sit through community college classes,
which is not ideal from a personal pain and comfort perspective. I will do
what I have to do, but I like gray better than pirated and red software, in
No, none of the above would "void" the license or be illegal.
Why? Because it remained on the same machine, still compliant under the
terms of the purchasers license.
Illegal (and prosecutable (especially if you were MSFT and it was a
corporate license), yes.
Why? Because the license for Autodesk, last time I looked, is specific
to one instance of use, on one machine.
In this day age, best to ask those kind of questions prior to publicly
attempting to violate a software license agreement ... you never know
who is watching. Tough to get a job in the tech industry with a software
copyright violation conviction on your record.
Not that I, or most of us, give a shit, but it is bad form, and does
show an ignorance of the legality of software use.
Sorry, to be the bearer of that bit of fact, but now you know.
I do sincerely hope that you find a solution to your problem, and
overcome that disability.
Contact AutoDesk and discuss your options with them. You might be
surprised, especially considering your track record of being a public
That could be what I have to do. I posted a lengthy response a few minutes
ago, laying out my motivations and reasoning. Still, I will probably go the
education route if I have to.
Unfortunately, I have an employer in mind, and working with them will
necessitate using the same program they are using, I believe. I am gong to
bookmark your link, though. Thanks. I only wish I had not lost my copy of
the old autodesk.
You got a true LoL on that one! I need to flame a little bit more to be
Yes, I do understand your position. I think you can see, I'm really not
trying to cheat anyone, and with my personal circumstances, my heart is in
the right place.
I think I'm going to go with the community college educational license. I
can use it for up to three years as I learn it. If it takes that long, I
will officially label myself as a "sometimers" patient. I guess I will see
how baad of a dog this computer is at running a demanding program like
Well at least you recognize the obvious.
Someday your time will come.
In the mean time, might want to keep your mouth shut
and your eyes and ears open.
You sad, pathetic little man. Are you even vaguely cognizant of the depth of your
deficiencies? Perhaps when you're able to perform the simplest of tasks (like
posting a new subject in this group without "Re:") you will earn a response from
Obama voter, right? 'Nuff said...
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