Are we this lazy?

[DonkeyHody]

You know how crowded the stores are right after Christmas with all the returns and everything. You should save yourself the hassle and go ahead and buy one now to beat the rush.

DonkeyHody

[Doug Miller]

Well, yes, *if* the system is opened.

replaced every time the pads are changed?

[Pat Barber]

I still do not understand those guys at JDS...

They could up their volume by thousands if they would price that stupid Multi-router more in line with what you get.

Trying to hit a home run with every single sale is just plain dumb. I can not imagine how many they would sell with a lower price point.

[Pat Barber]

[RayV]

Right, because that snap on plastic cap will prevent any mositure laden air from entering the brake system that was filled at the factory in zero humidity conditions.

Did you ever try decaf?

[bf]

Hi Doug.

Please don't take this as gospel, but I've been told the correct way to do antilock breaks is to open up the bleeding valve, and then use a vice grip to pinch the brake line. Then the theory is that when you push the pads back, the fluid comes out the bleeder valve instead of "backwashing" back into the system where it could hurt the antilock break mechanism. Personally, I was too lazy and just changed it the old fashioned way. My ABS breaks were fine, but that doesn't mean it always works. My car was old enough that I didn't worry about hosing up the anti-lock feature.

[bf]

[Doug Miller]

Did you ever try exploring the logical consequences of your comments?

I was responding specifically to your suggestion that using a C-clamp to retract the caliper piston -- which needs to be done when changing pads -- risks damage from contaminated fluid. If that's so, the logical conclusion is that the fluid should be flushed and replaced whenever the pads are changed, in order to avoid that damage. Is that your contention?

[Doug Miller]

The Haynes manual for my Saturn doesn't mention any such procedure; it just says to remove the cap from the master cylinder reservoir, and use a C-clamp to retract the piston.

And I can't imagine that pinching the brake line with a vise-grip pliers does anything good for the brake line. Yes, I know you mean the flexible rubber line and not the rigid steel line.

[Brian Henderson]

It doesn't look like it's nearly that strong. I mean, I ended up bending a c-clamp on my wife's car when I was redoing her brakes, those pistons are a pain!

[bf]

that was part of the reason I hestiated to do that procedure. Someone that makes a living as a mechanic told me that procedure. Of course, that doesn't make it right...just giving you an explanation that was given to me.

[Joe Bemier]

Well, unless they're a bunch of shmucks (doubtful) they have probably run those calculations. I don't know much about the company but it could be shop based. Lower the price and up the volume and they would be facing production of a different scale. Since these machines are not mass market -like IPods or cell phones- it might not make sense from a logistical or financial perspective.

[Rick's Cabinet Shop]

To me, that seems as 'bout worthwhile as putting a laser beam on a cordless drill.

[Swingman]

Have you had any hands on with one? I could be way off base, but IMO it is pretty hard to imagine a machine of that quality/caliber priced much lower than it is.

Hell, folks pay that much for a laptop that's obsolete in two years.

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[Swingman]

I'm sure it doesn't. The Multi-Router is of a quality that you rarely see any longer in this country and I'm surprised they don't cost more. You really have to take a close look at one, and put it through it's paces, to appreciate the mix of engineering, accuracy and robustness that is inherent in the beast ... makes the words "fit and finish" too paltry to describe it.

[<wild_hare]

Not everyone has two completely functional hands, but they still enjoy woodworking safely. There's another thread going on here about vibration induced pain from tools, and some of the responders mentioned their carpal tunnel syndrome. I can see it being used by them to get something placed, then following up with standard clamps when there is less to hold still. I'd like to see if it goes down straight and holds firmly enough to allow someone to do that. The advertised battery life does seem poor, though, and it appears that it could sell for $10 less. My 2 cents.

[Phisherman]

Bessey!

[Robatoy]

Okay, okay okaaaayyyy!!! I surrender... I want one, damn you!!! That machine oooooozes: "buy me, buy me!!!"

(*practising my rationalization*: the mix of engineering, accuracy and robustness, the mix of engineering, accuracy and robustness, the mix of engineering, accuracy and robustness.)

But I will wait for jBot.

r

[Swingman]

LOL ... but with the M-R, you actually have to touch wood. ;)

[Allen Roy]

If you actually look at this photo

wood looks like it first was cut on a TS. Then the guy looks to be strugling to cut a piece of pine with a hand saw. There must be a magical pencil line as I can't see one or he wants to cut it at a random angle. How did our fore fathers manage to cut all of that wood for houses, barns, sheds, etc. without this miracle invention.

Then if you look at this photo

see that she must have one of the most powerful dust collectors out there as there is zero dust on the clamp, work piece, bench, hands, or sandpaper. And just imagine that it is made by B&D. Who would have thought.

Last looking at this photo and comparing it to the one above.

see in the background that there is a power sander sitting on the workbench. Also I would love some of that non clogging sand paper she has. I would never have to explain to SWMBO that yes I do have to buy more and no it doesn't last forever.

Allen